Posts by konceptual99

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Shall I go to the meeting? Would you?

by KateWild in

hi guys,.

i might go to the meeting.

i stopped going in my heart properly in nov 2013, but i went to a couple of meetings to support a love one that was df'd and tried to teach them a little ttatt.. now another df'd loved one is coming to see me today and will likely encourage me to try and get ri'd, and i want to support her.

konceptual99

It's taking me so long to fade and get out there is no way I would willingly go back. This religion has defined so much of our lives already, if you've got out then why let it continue to do so when it's not necessary?

Plus, I would suggest that you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. Trying to get someone who does not want to see, to consider the truth about the truth is a thankless task.

The only merit to a reinstatement plan I can see is if it gives you (a) the ability to associate with people close to you and (b) if you plan to stop going as soon as you are reinstated. Even that seems a little bit of a risk ridden approach and will just mess with your head as you try and play reinstatement game.

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Were we meant to live forever?

by konceptual99 in

so i believed for years that humans will one day revert to being able to live forever.

i was told the only reason we don't already is because adam and eve sinned.. if this is the case then why is nothing else in the universe capable of the same thing.

everything else has a finite lifespan.

konceptual99

So I believed for years that humans will one day revert to being able to live forever. I was told the only reason we don't already is because Adam and Eve sinned.

If this is the case then why is NOTHING else in the universe capable of the same thing. EVERYTHING else has a finite lifespan. Every plant, fish, insect, animal, planet, and star will end it's existence at some point in time.

Why would nothing else life forever? Why would nothing else close to humankind in the animal world demonstrate any kind of longevity? Why does our life, our earthly home and our solar system require special divine intervention to exist forever?

If God can make things last forever then why does NOTHING else demonstrate that this behaviour or even come close to showing that it is possible.

Simply having to argue that God has to intervene undermines the whole concept.

Why did I not see this years ago?

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Brighton Convention Roll Call

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

anyone here attending the brighton rc this weekend?

hope it's my last....

konceptual99

I was hoping you'd be there. Even though we don't know each other it's good to know there will be at least one other person from on here sharing the "fun" with me.

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Brighton Convention Roll Call

by konceptual99 in

jw
friends

anyone here attending the brighton rc this weekend?

hope it's my last....

konceptual99

Anyone here attending the Brighton RC this weekend? Hope it's my last...

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Huge story unfolding at Warwick

by Crazyguy in

its been mentioned before that warwick is a toxic dump and now the jw's are suing a former owner for compensation.

well this is huge on so many levels.

one they new it was contaminated back a few years ago so why move your headquarters there?

konceptual99

The Chelmsford site is contaminated in places but it was all known about before hand and there a numerous ways of cleaning it up. The interesting thing is that putting a planning application in for a scrap heap does ease the process somewhat as the locals and the council are glad to have anything there but a dump.

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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

soliciting any and all opinions.

as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.

my fade has gone from us fighting.

konceptual99

I am planning on doing the same. I am working out what and how I will say it. I have concluded that there is nothing I can do to prevent her feeling hurt and anxious but I can't go on with her not asking the question and me not offering the answer.

I certainly don't want to force her and my family into a position that makes the whole social fabric of our lives crumble overnight but the facade has to come down at some point and it is better that I have some control over that rather than have that whipped out of my hands through other events.

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Huge story unfolding at Warwick

by Crazyguy in

its been mentioned before that warwick is a toxic dump and now the jw's are suing a former owner for compensation.

well this is huge on so many levels.

one they new it was contaminated back a few years ago so why move your headquarters there?

konceptual99

The difference is that WT has a free lawyer pool at their beck and call.
Makes a huge difference in your litigation (and response) strategy.

Is it free?

Sure,they have the internal legal department and staff representative of every level of the law profession but AFAIK they employ external legal firms, especially when engaged in the highly commercial nature of large property deals.

I get the point that if the cost of a legal process is low then starting proceedings is perhaps a more straight-forward commercial decision but I don't think there would be many large corporates who would be afraid of pushing forward with this litigation given the information available so far. Don't forget as well that they will also be paying for lots of reports to be produced by specialists. The legal element in preparing the ligation is only part of the work and costs required.

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Just a short observation on self inflicted misery.

by Human Being in

i used to post on this site a few years back but after moving on personally and being shunned by my only remaining family member for the last 4-5 years i the j.w's became just background noise to me.

yet yesterday something happened that brought back to me the degree of control this cult has over it's members.

a new wall mart recently opened in my little mountain town here in northern georgia, u.s. as i headed across the parking lot on my way into the store the heat was intense, wit a humidity factor of around 90%.

konceptual99

Witnesses are an irrelevance to most people. Those of us here will have our opinions about the relative dangers of being inside the organisation but to the overwhelming majority of people who have no links to Witnesses then door knocking and carts mean zero, absolutely nothing.

Laws that give us all freedoms in the West also allow JWs to go about their business. Ensuring the facts, advice and experiences of those who have escaped from the organisation are as widely available as possible is the best way of helping ones that may be curious.

Let them do their carts and their public ministry. Who really cares? Virtually no one. Far better, IMHO, to try and find ways of getting those that are in to engage with sites and information that will make them question their beliefs.

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Huge story unfolding at Warwick

by Crazyguy in

its been mentioned before that warwick is a toxic dump and now the jw's are suing a former owner for compensation.

well this is huge on so many levels.

one they new it was contaminated back a few years ago so why move your headquarters there?

konceptual99

The WTS is not badly advised when it comes to commercial and legal matters. They know exactly what they are doing and pay a lot of money to very good lawyers, engineers, architects and construction specialists.

I cannot believe the WTS did not know that land they purchased was contaminated. There may be arguments about the extent of the problem or around the scope of some kind of prior disclosure but the WTS is very good at arguing the toss over details like this and winning.

IMHO no JW is going to wake up to TTATT on the basis that Jehovah should have warned them, I don't think it's much of a scandal or a cover up. Things like this happen all the time in large scale property development. I wouldn't expect any other multi-million dollar global corporate to act any differently.

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The new Governing Body is liberal. they are really freeminders!

by rege brazzy in

dear friends, your posts are very good, but we really think that they will change many things soon...for example.

watch tower now are feminist and they protect the gay cause.soon we will have many gay marriages in kingdom halls.you will see.that governing body is really cool.ted jaracz and john barr were the last puritans in the governing body!.

the current governing body is completely liberal, but as yet has some bethelites the old guard working, they are still holding some behaviors .... but very soon you will see ... even in my congregation is very liberal ... not here disassociates for immorality .. just for apostasy ... i fucked three sister, but the elders did not shunned me, but they only help me!

konceptual99

Where was that post on LSD again....?