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  EXPERTS ONLY! A Pop Quiz on (current) Watchtower teaching

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pop quiz on jw (current) teaching.

  1. was jesus 2nd coming in 1914?.

  2. is jesus 2nd (parousia) presence the same thing as his coming?.

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  konceptual99

  Just realised I lost 4000 anointed!
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  Using the tv.jw.org as a wake up tool with my kids

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i have been badgered recently to do some kind of family study by my wife.

  thanks to tv.jw.org i now have a really easy tool to use that not only passes this time but actually makes them question the organisation.. our sessions skipping through the delights of the monthly broadcast have been very interesting.

  derision at the wooden delivery of the gb.

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  konceptual99

  Don't be silly Kate. I wasn't offended, just disagreed a little with your conclusion. I got your point and there are several on here that would agree that once you are awake to TTATT you should just get out.  
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  Using the tv.jw.org as a wake up tool with my kids

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i have been badgered recently to do some kind of family study by my wife.

  thanks to tv.jw.org i now have a really easy tool to use that not only passes this time but actually makes them question the organisation.. our sessions skipping through the delights of the monthly broadcast have been very interesting.

  derision at the wooden delivery of the gb.

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  konceptual99

  Hi Oubliette,

  Indeed. I'd rather not go into too much detail but my kids are reasonably academic, work hard at school and are creative.  Both my wife and I set high, but reasonable, expectations for them.  They understand that it's not money alone that brings happiness but being able to exercise your choices and have free will does - in turn those who throw their education away, are lazy and do not have sufficient money often have few choices in life and are unable to exercise free will.

  They see the waste in just getting any old part time job to pioneer and then getting tied down at a young age.  They both, but particularly the older one, do not like the patriarchal nature of the organisation.  I have used this to my advantage as well.
  

  With my daughters both my wife (even though she is still mentally well in) and I have been clear about the hard work and suffering that women have endured for years to bring about the level of sexual equality we have now.  We have made it clear that they can show respect for that by fulfilling their potential and not wasting away the freedoms those women bought them.

  I am confident that their interest and success in education will be the saving grace.  They are free to question, encouraged to do so.  There is no danger of them succumbing to pressure to get baptised any time soon and my view is that if they are encouraged to look at WT teachings with an open mind, with critical thinking skills applied they will not need me to tell them it's junk.
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  Using the tv.jw.org as a wake up tool with my kids

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i have been badgered recently to do some kind of family study by my wife.

  thanks to tv.jw.org i now have a really easy tool to use that not only passes this time but actually makes them question the organisation.. our sessions skipping through the delights of the monthly broadcast have been very interesting.

  derision at the wooden delivery of the gb.

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  konceptual99

  Hi Oubliette,

  Indeed. I'd rather not go into too much detail but my kids are reasonably academic, work hard at school and are creative.  Both my wife and I set high, but reasonable, expectations for them.  They understand that it's not money alone that brings happiness but being able to exercise your choices and have free will does - in turn those who throw their education away, are lazy and do not have sufficient money often have few choices in life and are unable to exercise free will.

  They see the waste in just getting any old part time job to pioneer and then getting tied down at a young age.  They both, but particularly the older one, do not like the patriarchal nature of the organisation.  I have used this to my advantage as well.
  

  With my daughters both my wife (even though she is still mentally well in) and I have been clear about the hard work and suffering that women have endured for years to bring about the level of sexual equality we have now.  We have made it clear that they can show respect for that by fulfilling their potential and not wasting away the freedoms those women bought them.

  I am confident that their interest and success in education will be the saving grace.  They are free to question, encouraged to do so.  There is no danger of them succumbing to pressure to get baptised any time soon and my view is that if they are encouraged to look at WT teachings with an open mind, with critical thinking skills applied they will not need me to tell them it's junk.
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  Using the tv.jw.org as a wake up tool with my kids

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i have been badgered recently to do some kind of family study by my wife.

  thanks to tv.jw.org i now have a really easy tool to use that not only passes this time but actually makes them question the organisation.. our sessions skipping through the delights of the monthly broadcast have been very interesting.

  derision at the wooden delivery of the gb.

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  konceptual99

  Indeed kiddingme...

  There is a section we skipped this time on elderly ones.  This is perfect for bringing out points about how these ones were told the end was coming over and over again. 
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  Using the tv.jw.org as a wake up tool with my kids

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i have been badgered recently to do some kind of family study by my wife.

  thanks to tv.jw.org i now have a really easy tool to use that not only passes this time but actually makes them question the organisation.. our sessions skipping through the delights of the monthly broadcast have been very interesting.

  derision at the wooden delivery of the gb.

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  konceptual99

  Come on Kate... "wise choice"... you sound like a WT ;-)

  Seriously though, I can see your point but you have to remember it's not as easy as simply saying "stand up for what's right".  I am not going to hijack my own thread to get into to a conversation about how I choose to fade (happy to do that on another thread though) but to suggest that the purpose is to wake up and stay in is missing the point.

  One of the things I wish to have is kids that can think for themselves, can take an objective approach and are not against the WTS just because daddy says they are morons.  The latter is just as pointless as being a Witness just 'cos your parents and friends are.  In the world of two evils, it is very easy for me to plop JW TV on and we can all snigger as a family rather than study for the meeting.  It's just as relevant as working through things like creation and the flood, planting seeds that permit them to question things in their own mind.  It's just as relevant IMHO as showing them points in the Bible about idol worship whilst seeing the GB have their photos taken with all and sundry.

  Aspects of JW TV presents the most shallow Witness behaviour as normal.  My kids are seeing that for themselves and they can see the idiocy of it.  For reference, there was a thread around about how a guy used his family study to wake his family up.  I see no difference.
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  2015/1/13/BOE!--Technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (from the source).

  2015 january 13, boe.. .. re: technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives.

  .. click the link by the little blue arrow and nothing else.. .. https://www.sendspace.com/file/0g0mr0.

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  konceptual99

  On another note, at our hall when everyone hit the WiFi to look at the video last Thursday the whole thing imploded and no one could do anything.  It's residential router which is not designed to have 110 people try and cram onto it.    Then there's the bandwidth, some cheapy BB offering through the society that will need to be upgraded to get any kind of speed and concurrency.

  
  
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  2015/1/13/BOE!--Technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (from the source).

  2015 january 13, boe.. .. re: technical preparations for the 20l5 visit of headquarters representatives.

  .. click the link by the little blue arrow and nothing else.. .. https://www.sendspace.com/file/0g0mr0.

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  konceptual99

  Just one nit-picking item:  The Society prides itself on flawless writing with no typos and no errors in spelling, punctuation, grammar, etc.  The letter refers to Apple's Mac operating system as "Apple Max."  Tee hee!

  Haha - I'd not noticed that.  Very good. 
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  EXPERTS ONLY! A Pop Quiz on (current) Watchtower teaching

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pop quiz on jw (current) teaching.

  1. was jesus 2nd coming in 1914?.

  2. is jesus 2nd (parousia) presence the same thing as his coming?.

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  konceptual99

  It's easy to show that the WTS doctrine is that Jesus only is mediator for the 140,000.  They are open about that and base it on the interpretation of the new covenant.  The question was if Jesus died for the GC.  The mediation of the New Covenant is not the sole consideration in the answer to this question.  The WTS literature does often differentiate between the GC and 144,000 when discussing salvation but is clear that salvation is offered to the GC through their exercising of faith in Jesus' sacrifice.  They also state he died for all.

  So, it can be argued that JW publications show Jesus strictly only really died for the 140,000 since he only mediates for them on the NC but I think the position on the NC does not preclude his death having the power to redeem the of all mankind.

  I will await Terry's POV on this when he provides his answers...

  [EDIT] - just to add that of course this apparent contradiction is very well described in the jwfacts.com article.  I think that even one of the GB would hold the line that JWs teach Jesus died for all even though he only mediates the NC for the 140,000 
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  EXPERTS ONLY! A Pop Quiz on (current) Watchtower teaching

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  pop quiz on jw (current) teaching.

  1. was jesus 2nd coming in 1914?.

  2. is jesus 2nd (parousia) presence the same thing as his coming?.

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  konceptual99

  I would suggest 3 & 7 are the most open to obfuscation within the literature.