Posts by konceptual99

Would you do this, even if you feel Islam is inherently dangerous and any adherent is essentially supporting a dogma that cannot ever be truly tolerant?

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Couple questions....like if JW's not the right way then what is?

by world in

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new member here so don't attack :d here is a couple questions i have been contemplating lately.. .

if jw isn't the right religion, then which one is?

or is it basically believe in god, the bible and you'll be fine?.

konceptual99

Hi World and welcome

Some quick responses...

if jw isn't the right religion, then which one is? Or is it basically believe in God, the bible and you'll be fine?

If you end up deconstructing the JW faith over the coming weeks and months then don't feel you have to replace it right away. When you do look at other options start from the point of view of a child with no preconconceptions. Look at the hard evidence for all claims religions make and see if it stacks up with what we know about the world around us.

2. i can't find any other religion who has broken thru all the racial barriers and teach the same stuff worldwide....In all honesty I do trust "most" jw if I were to stay at their house or vice versa.

I can see the reasoning behind this. The apparent unity and immediate trust of the JW brotherhood is compeling. It is not unique however. Hospitality is surprisingly more common than you might think. Unity of thought is a red herring however. What marks true friendship and tolerance is how you are able to get along when you don't agree. Racism might not be a major issue (not unknown by any stretch of the imagination of course), but Witnesses have kept plenty of space in their hearts for homophobia, lack of compassion for those not "related" to them in the faith, shunning of ones who leave the faith through DF, DA and just becoming inactive and so on. Many Witnesses are more than happy to judge others - tolerance is not actually a strong point when you look beneath the surface.

3. If some of you don't believe in the organization, why attack it or stand outside assemblies etc trying to spread the word of being against them, what benefit is this?

Not many actually do this. I personally think it is generally counterproductive and in the internet age there are far more effective means of getting information to people.

4. I have read and seen throughout history that they could have wrong teachings and that yes they have been wrong in the past about some things, jw normally say well we changed and the light got brighter. What is a good reply to that??

Consider a couple of things. There are several instances of light "flip-flopping" from one view to another and back to the original. See jwfacts.com for more.

Also, consider how science views "increasing light". The emergence of the scientific method, better technologies and a clear understanding of how core systems in our universe, planet and biology work mean that it is very, very, very rare for new discoveries or knowledge to completely change a previously held viewpoint. Sure, they might falsify aspects of a hypothosis or change aspects of how a subject is viewed but generally new evidence simply adds to the body of the knoweldge. It's not a u-turn.

Compare this with JW "light". It does not add to the understanding of a topic - it rewrites the book. What was true one day becomes false the next. Previous arguments against a position are completely discarded at will when these now oppose the new "understanding". There is virtually nothing which could not be completely changed in the next WT magazine and you would simply have to accept it. Light is changed when the old light is no longer sustainable. Is any of the light really specific? You may think it is but delve beneath the hood and you will see it leaves alot of scope for future "get outs". Nothing is that detailed or specific. It's written so it sounds plausible but never is definitive and can be changed at will as future new light.

New light is smoke and mirrors.

5. Most JW don't even read the bible, they just automatically think its the truth and follow it no matter what. If I bring up a question to an elder they auto think I'm against it, why is this?? Honestly ....

In the light of the above do you really need to still ask why this is? It's about control. The elders are trained to fear those who don't buy into it. That's why JWs claim unity. It's a forced unity that induces all to show lots of outward signs of acceptance. Field ministry, clothing, theocratic terms, badges of honour (pioneer, MS, elder etc). Spirituality is not measured by anything other than how well you conform to the norm. It's the elders' job to manage this at congregation level.

All the best in your awakening!

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I have a TASK for you to perform. Come on--it will be FUN!

by Terry in

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look up in the right-hand corner of this page.. find where it says welcome (name).. did you locate that?.

now click on your name and observe the new page loading takes you to a top blue bar with a menu.. it should read:.

active topics search members topics started .

konceptual99

Eight pages...

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/243423/1/CO-Disfellowshipped-in-UK

I still have not been able to confirm the name...

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130 years of protecting molesters

by berrygerry in

another sad case.. two sisters molested (no intercourse).. wts gets warrants quashed.. http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skqb/doc/2005/2005skqb165/2005skqb165.html?searchurlhash=aaaaaqahamvob3zhaaaaaaab.

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konceptual99

Thw WTS can disfellowship two people where there has been no sexual activity proven c.f. two people being in the same house overnight.

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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours

by Cadellin in

interesting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.

i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?

actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.

konceptual99

I wonder why, when commanded to be fruitful, Adam and Eve were not at it like bunnies.? I am amazed that Eve did not have a bun in the oven straight away.

Well Done Lewis

by konceptual99 in

never been much of a lewis hamilton fan but he has really grown on me this season and i am really pleased that he won the f1 world championship today.. i really hope jenison gets a decent drive next season as well.. .

konceptual99

Never been much of a Lewis Hamilton fan but he has really grown on me this season and I am really pleased that he won the F1 world championship today.

I really hope Jenison gets a decent drive next season as well.

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What should the WBT$ do to get on track?

by punkofnice in

it looks as if the gb are blundering around and really showing themselves up for the buffoons they are.

all the stupidity about tight trousers is laughable and if the general public were to see these selfmportant cult leaders blabbing this stuff then the last shred of their credibility would be destroyed.........perhaps.. the wbt$ seem to have dug themselves into a deep pit of no escape with their lies, new light(tm), paedophile protection and all the other nauseating peripherals they have.. we also suspect that the wbt$ have their spies here because they are either predictable or get ideas form forums like this.. so!

are you listening watchtower(r)?

konceptual99

Three years ago I would have written a long list of changes that could have been made. Now I realise you would just be polishing a turd. Someone said disband and give the money away. Can't argue with that.

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Dirty penguins and filthy seals

by konceptual99 in

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i had never come across this research into sexually depraved penguins ..... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic.

...until i saw this about what some seals get up to.... http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/seals-caught-having-sex-penguins.

maybe it's something they learnt on their long journey back from the ark?.

konceptual99

So why would God create animals that are homesexual and shag other species?

Is that sin? Is it Satan? Or is it simply nature?

mmmmm....