Posts by konceptual99

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Jah Jireh Care Homes

by pale.emperor in

http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

konceptual99

on the balance of probability--i would think the majority of elderly dubs in the UK are "poor"---just getting by on the state pension. so--when they go into care--its most likely the care home fees will be paid by the local authority ( the council ). so--in the case of these jah jireh homes--yes--a very profitable business. good supply of new customers---fees guaranteed. good supply of staff--no doubt on the minimum wage. thank goodness the regulatory authority--CQC--has teeth !

Not sure about this Stan. As pointed out by other posters there is a growing gap between the funding available at state level and that which is generally charged by care homes. Even though JJ don't say they cannot take state funded residents they 100% require top ups through some additional funding as an relative of an in-law has recently gone to one and this was a big issue as her home is being used to fund the excess and the family are seeing their inheritance rapidly diminish. The knock on of this is that they were all needing the inheritance to cover financial issues caused by poor decisions that are biting them thanks to the Big A not coming. Now they are facing financial destitution in their old age.

There is the question about how much it actually costs and what care homes may be taking to cover increasing staff costs and maintain profits but I have a contact who made big money in care homes and he is adamant that it's not anywhere near as good as it was 15, 20 years ago and he's glad he got out when he did.

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Jah Jireh Care Homes

by pale.emperor in

http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

konceptual99

Thanks for the link DS, it seems there is an allowance they can use but as noted it cannot apply to all roles in the organisation. The question in the OP then comes back into play as to what happens if someone is DFed.

Having said that, if a job required that a JW fill it then this surely should be clear in the advert.

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Jah Jireh Care Homes

by pale.emperor in

http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

konceptual99

Cheers L&F - not the one I knew then.

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Jah Jireh Care Homes

by pale.emperor in

http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

konceptual99

I think that would be the issue - but interestingly what about actually advertising job vacancies? - you could almost 'pre-select' people by the newspaper/outlet you decided to advertise in? An advert in a Catholic newspaper or a gay magazine is going to generally attract a certain applicant in the first place...

There is no legal requirement to advertise vacancies AFAIK but when they are advertised then they cannot be discriminatory. JJ has employment vacancies on their website. They link to a job application form that asks if the person is a JW. That is discriminatory in itself.

I don't know enough about JJ to know if they employ non-Witnesses but all the stuff I have ever heard is that they don't. I don't know if they interview non-Witness applicants.

They may interview non Witnesses for the sake of procedure but even if there is active discrimination on the basis of religion then the problem is proving it. It's one thing to go to tribunal if dismissed from a job but if you never got it in the first place...

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Going Through A Box Of Old Photo's. Found This...

by pale.emperor in

jw wedding early 1980s and where they are now.... .

konceptual99

Hey Pale. Very interesting photo but are you sure that those you've listed as PIMO would be happy for their photo to be out there on t'internet?

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Let's talk about Blood again....

by stuckinarut2 in

i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

konceptual99

The blood issue was one of the key factors in my awakening and remains one of my favourite topics as it is nothing more than a completely illogical mess.

You have a symbol that is worth more than the thing it symbolises.

You have arbitrary rules with no scriptural backing that determine what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

You have outrageous logical inconsistencies like refusing to donate blood because it should be poured out yet be perfectly happy to accept fractions of blood that have come from blood donated by others.

You have repeated straining of the gnat with semantics to try and justify the unjustifiable.

You have a policy so complex that people don't really know what it is they can do and default to the most lenient interpretation depending on what is deemed acceptable and unacceptable. So much for conscience.

When the issue raises it's head then they need a cohort of heavies to try and intervene in people's personal treatments, What's worse is that individuals seek the advice of the HLC ahead of their medical consultants. One day the elder could be making arguments about medical procedures to a sick Witness and the same HLC elder could be coming round to wash the windows of the consultant the next day.

If an individual takes a conscience decision not to have treatments like cell salvage they are treated like a pariah for creating questions in the minds of the experts about what Witnesses really believe.

Finally no one can say what the policy shall be tomorrow. What is acceptable today may be unacceptable or, more likely, what is unacceptable becomes acceptable. Life changing decisions are being made on a policy that has changed out of all context over time and no doubt will continue to do so.

Thanks to the entrenched nature of GB thinking, however, I think it's more likely that we would see change to the understanding of 1914 than the retraction of the prohibition of blood transfusions.

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Jah Jireh Care Homes

by pale.emperor in

http://www.jah-jireh.org/.

they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.

these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.

konceptual99

It's not illegal to provide a charitable service to a specific group of people.

What is questionable is the question on the employment application form about being a JW. It's illegal to discriminate on the basis of religion and strictly speaking, it's not even permissible to ask someone about their religion in an interview.

I don't know if there is some loophole or dispensation that they have found in the employment laws but AFAIK they aren't allowed to do what they are doing.

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