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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  konceptual99

  Don't worry - I found it.

  As expected it does not reference the authorities at all. Quite how they can assume someone who looks at kiddie porn should not be reported is beyond me.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  konceptual99

  Is the 2012 letter available as that may have additional instructions?
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  Article: Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse to change two-witness rule because ‘that’s our stand’

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/jehovahs-witnesses-refuse-to-change-twowitness-rule-because-thats-our-stand/news-story/ee1f5bdd2561d99f6d1f608f039ee200.

  jehovah’s witnesses refuse to change two-witness rule because ‘that’s our stand’.

  rohan smithnews.com.au.

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  konceptual99

  They don't need to change the two witness rule. It's up to them how they run their own internal judicial matters. What they need to do is sort out their response to an allegation of a crime.

  It's very simple. Report an alleged crime to the authorities.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  konceptual99

  I cannot believe they do not have a stronger policy on the viewing of child pornography. Well actually I can but I can't get my head around how they don't consider the reporting aspect given the scrutiny they are under.

  Just this week in the UK the family of April Jones were unsuccessful in getting their call for the life long registration of sex offenders put into law. One of the features of her case was that her murderer and abuser, Mark Bridger, had no convictions and was not on the register but had child porn on his computer.

  Viewing child porn is a crime yet once again elders are not being told to report and the branch assuming the role of expert in determining what risk the person poses.

  Does the letter referenced shed any more light on the process?
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  Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

  i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

  how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

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  konceptual99

  The ARC has 1000 of them.
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  Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

  i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

  how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

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  konceptual99

  koncept, shouldnt it be wrong for you to write three paragraphs full of nothing and hypothesis that has nothing to do with the topic?
  Can you cite one case relevant to the topic on this thread showing that watchtower did something wrong? if you do not, I will not reply to you on this thread.

  Every time a WT elder has been told that a child is being abused and done nothing to ensure that the authorities are notified.
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  Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

  i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

  how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

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  konceptual99

  Let me put it to you this way. Who is "expecting Wachtower to be so"? And what does this have anything to do with my statement to on the way out that what he said was wrong may not necessarily be wrong?

  We have regularly seen WT apologists say that the elders are not policemen in response to critics about their handling of child abuse allegations. The subsequent comment is often to make some point about the victim/family being free to go to the authorities. The claim is based around trying to differentiate between secular and religious roles and responsibilities.

  The reality is that no person regardless of their stance is asking or expecting the elders and WTS to act in the role of the police or secular authorities. As far as the critics are concerned the simple way forward is to do what is needed to get the authorities involved and then the elders can do whatever they want from a religious standpoint. Those who support the WTS current policies and procedures believe the WTS does enough and individuals have to take more personal responsibility for raising allegations with the authorities.

  As for your reply to OTWO - I don't know why you are arguing with him. Neither of you want the WTS to act in a secular role. The point of contention seems to be determining what, if any, responsibility the WTS has to support secular involvement when allegations of criminal activity are made to elders. Why the WTS can treat a child abuse allegation the same as some act like vandalism of a KH and just call the police seems to be an odd inconsistency.
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  I wrote to Mr. Angus Stewart regarding the "inactive" status claims made by the Watchtower at the ARC

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the email i have just sent to mr. stewart angus, who has been conducting the questioning of the jw leaders during the australian royal commission dealing with child abuse cases among the jehovah's witnesses, concerning the claims made that a jehovah witness who wishes to walk away from the organization can simply become inactive and avoid being shunned:.

  dear mr. angus stewart,

  i have followed with interest the videos of the arc regarding the jehovah's witnesses in australia.

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  konceptual99

  too was considering writing a letter to the ARC - though my tack was going to be slightly different. I was thinking of writing something along the lines of someone who leaves and joins a different church could be disfellowshipped as well.

  It's not disfellowhipping. It's disassociation by one's actions. It might seem a trivial difference but it's there so the WTS does not face any claims of preventing freedom of worship. It's the same reason as why military service is disassociation by one's actions - to prevent the WTS from facing issues with the government for stopping people performing military service.

  Typical WT legalese - claim anyone is free to join the military or another church without disciplinary action from the congregation whilst putting a clause in so that the net result in terms of shunning is the same and turn the responsibility for this back onto the person.
  
  
  
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  Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

  i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

  how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

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  konceptual99

  That is only your opinion. That is how I see it. Obstruction of justice is crime. Are you accusing watchtower of obstructing justice?

  I would suggest that in some cases, probably a small minority historically, this could well have been the case if you were able to look at every example worldwide through the last 100+ years.

  More realistically, I think that the evidence demonstrates time and time again that the culture of deference to organisational hierarchy, coupled with some mistaken view of protecting Jehovah's name publicly has repeatedly led to allegations of sexual abuse not making it to the authorities.

  Where the WTS interpretation of how to handle the two witness biblical principle has prevented further internal investigation and action, the allegation still has not made it to the secular authorities.

  In all of these cases justice has been obstructed to some extent even if not by wilful and criminal intent.
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  Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

  i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

  how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

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  konceptual99

  What does what "one" expects from the wachtower have anything to do with what may not be necessarily wrong.

  What does this mean?

  And who is the "one" that you implicate in your statement?

  For goodness sake FM.... what a stupid question.