Bloody hell! It looks amazing. I can't wait to be there, especially on Sunday for the symposium item about drinking water. They really are saving the best information until last.
#bestconventionever #bestlifeever #foodatthepropertime
konceptual99
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Convention program 2017 AM3
by George One Time inhttps://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2017/friday/.
why would our beloved gb member be on the top picture of the program?.
any ideas?.
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Warwick Tour Brochure
by konceptual99 inso we had this posted in the mega topic thread... wt: warwick world hq tour brochure.
the new world headquarters of jws, located at warwick, new york, will open for tours on monday, april 3, 2017.. in anticipation, a new eight-page glossy brochure about this facility has now been released:.
download pdf: https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_cmsassets/70/fo_s-whq_e.pdf.
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konceptual99
So we had this posted in the mega topic thread..
WT: Warwick World HQ Tour Brochure
The new world headquarters of JWs, located at Warwick, New York, will open for tours on Monday, April 3, 2017.
In anticipation, a new eight-page glossy brochure about this facility has now been released:
DOWNLOAD PDF: https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_cmsassets/70/fo_s-WHQ_E.pdf
MORE INFO: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/offices/united-states/
Please note that the earliest dates available for tours are now in from mid-August 2017 onwards
Now you can play the WT's version of 'Where's Wally?'... 'Where's the GB?'... can you spot them all?
SEE ALSO: Letter July 1, 2016 - Re: Information for Touring the World Headquarters at Warwick, New York
SEE ALSO: Letter December 31, 2016 - Re: 2017 Annual Meeting and Warwick/Wallkill Dedication Program
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/img/image/7a031ce1d11c62413e71cb85d9c1bdb9?s=629
What struck me is the distinct lack of diversity in the pictures showing the Writing Committee. I am amazed that it would appear that only older white men are qualified to consider what goes in the publications.
I also thought it was quite funny that Losch turned up to give a guided tour. If I go can I have the WT's own Wallace - Bro Lett?
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Didn't G. Jackson tell the ARC that JW's don't smack their kids?
by Splash inthe wt book "family life" (1978) had something to say on this topic:.
*** fl chap.
10 pp.
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konceptual99
You'll now be very hard pressed to find any JW publication that explicitly admonishes parents to hit (or spank - a more PC word) their children. But if you can, I will sit up and take note.
Agreed, so in typical JW fashion, their lack of clarity on the matter allows the extreme to continue.
I recently had an uncomfortable discussion with a sister a similar age to me about smacking and she was very much of the view there should be more of it. She didn't like me asking her how she managed to stop her self hitting her child in anger, sit down, get calm, think about a suitable response and then muster up some kind of feeling (which can't be anger) but allows her to do it anyway as per the WTS advice.
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Do JWs Regard You As An APOSTATE?
by minimus ini doubt people consider me an apostate but you never know.🤓.
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konceptual99
Not yet. But I agreed to a shepherding call so watch this space...
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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konceptual99
Fair points Richard and I understand the implications regarding clergy/penitent privilege however they still have a choice about how they choose to handle an allegation. Given that laws are different in different countries or even within countries I actually don't think it is a problem for an elder to ring Bethel Legal and find out what their obligations are.
It is after this that I think the problem comes. The instructions and reality of how they are implemented on the ground have resulted in allegations not being reported to the appropriate authorities. The instructions have changed over time to try and reduce and remove the chance that a direct written instruction can be blamed but the culture still remains. The general culture of remaining loyal, not bringing Jehovah's name into disrepute and so on has limited this being challenged from the ground up.
The WTS response to legal and civil challenge remains one of legal obfuscation. It's true that the legally correct and morally correct thing to do may conflict (e.g. does an elder supposedly bound by clergy/penitent privilege inform the police that an 12 year old girl is possibly being abused by her father) but their position seems to remain entrenched in one of "do nothing that will compromise the organisation legally" rather than be prepared to stand up and support their elders who choose to do the right thing.
Instead of whining about "we can't do this or that because we're tied down by the laws" they should be going "damn right we told the police and we'll fight to change the law if the law is stupid" - just like they did (and continue to do) when they fought for things like not saluting the flag, freedom to preach and so on.
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Move over Star Wars...try Theocratic Wars instead!
by stuckinarut2 inhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fky2ues_6x0
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konceptual99
Brilliant!
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My Son's wish granted from Make A Wish
by azor inwe leave friday for his disney cruise wish.
he's also a big star wars fan, and they have a star wars day on one of the seafaring days.
to say we are all looking forward to this is an understatement.
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konceptual99
Great news for you and have a fantastic time!
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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konceptual99
Koncept you have posted a lot of colorful commentary but no legislation showing that WT is not complying with child abuse reporting laws. You have said that wt is not acting morally -but you have shown no facts, only colorful commentary.
You stated that I conceded the WTS always acted lawfully. My point was that the only law that ever really comes into play is that of mandatory reporting and that the WTS obligations under this have been the matter of discussion in court - therefore not 100% clear cut.
I think it's clear that I have not made a big thing at all about the legal side of things. I don't really care about the legal minutiae. For me it's about the culture within the WTS that defers to organisational protectionism rather than a progressive approach that embraces contemporary best practice and suggests a willingness to look in the mirror, accept valid criticism and implement change accordingly.
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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konceptual99
You did not answer my question :
".....who's moral code......."Obviously their code. It could be influenced by how other organisations choose to act but the WTS chooses not to change the culture and mindset.
If you want to argue that it's actually someone else's code (e.g my code or my perception of what others' codes may be) then fine but it's missing the point IMO. Repeatedly the actions and more critically, the cultural and organisational framework surrounding how allegations have been managed, have received repeated negative analysis.
When subjected to critical questioning all the WTS seems able to do is whine "yeah but" like a teenager being called out on their childish behaviour. Worse than that, it seems incapable of going away, reflecting and then coming back to the table with some meaningful change and progress.
TBH, some of the defence of the WTS on here has been far, far better than anything the WT lawyers have presented. I may not agree with every point but at least there is a logic to the argument.
(You have already conceded that wt is operating lawfully)
mmm - yes and no. In the main there is little chance that the WTS can actually act unlawfully in a jurisdiction with no mandatory reporting requirements since no other laws typically apply. This of course does not in itself remove any potential liabilities in a civil case.
Where laws do apply, which is essentially mandatory reporting, then there is still the question as to if individuals and the organisation have always operated within the appropriate laws applicable to them. I don't think it has always been 100% clear if specific laws have been applicable and followed.
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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konceptual99
Interesting Sparky - I will read the document in more detail when I get a chance. Regardless, their current procedures have received criticism in court and.most notably, from the ARC. They have also been called back to discuss this with the ARC. True, they are in good company with the Catholic and Anglican churches but even these organisations have made far more changes to their procedures to bring them into line with what is generally accepted best practice.
I think that most would agree that at best the WTS demonstrates a strong resistance to change.