Posts by konceptual99

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

Not news to me DoC - the ultra conservative views of the Bible Belt are well known. I agree that this video is hardly the worst in terms outright hatred and vitriol. I also agree that this will likely be old news very quickly.

Having said that, the potential for a couple of days of media interest and publicity, even if limited to Western Europe, is not to be sniffed at, not least because once that publicity is out there on the web then it there to be found by anyone researching JW teachings and attitudes.

No longer is it possible for the organisation to keep it's more controversial opinions hidden or critical comment limited to those in the know. Everything that is being posted is a little more material that counters and exposes the WT message for what it really is.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/2695343/2016/05/04/Ophef-om-video-Getuigen-van-Jehovah-over-homohuwelijk.dhtml

There is a statement from a local Witness representative (via my Google Translate):

Respect and integrity
Michel van Hilten, spokesman for Jehovah's Witnesses, still had not heard the criticism of COC. "We are not saying that we think homosexuals to change their orientation. Homosexual feelings can not disable you. But we think they can change to let certain things. We accept people who are gay, but according to biblical precepts hear a man and a woman to be together. " He says not to recognize in the words of the COC that the film's heartless and harmful. "I think the film respectfully and honestly. For this reason we are not going to remove it from the site." Despite the sensitive subject he did not expect so many negative controversy surrounding the publication of the film.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

This one is very funny...

http://wonkette.com/601364/jehovahs-witnesses-will-learn-you-how-to-be-the-cutest-lil-homophobe-ever

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/05/jehovas-witness-cartoon-upsets-gay-groups/

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/04/jehovahs-witnesses-are-using-a-sinister-anti-gay-cartoon-to-indoctrinate-kids-5858615/

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

fmf is absolutely right. Many JWs, even now, don't equate homosexuality with other sexual "sins" committed by hetrosexuals. It invokes a greater sense of revulsion and contempt. I have heard some incredible vitriol directed towards gay people over the years and it still happens now. There is still a genuine homophobic response by many, old and young, towards interaction with gay people.

Of course this is nothing new and compared to what might be said about homosexuals in private or from the platform, this video might appear fairly tame and indicative of much of the low level rhetoric common to many conservative Christian fundamentalist organisations.

What it is doing however, is feeding the machine, oiling the wheels of the intolerance and fear that will grow over time and can become a real vitriolic hatred. When Witnesses are encouraged to hate what is bad they are left in no doubt that homosexuality is bad. Only a relative few stop there and don't go on to lump homosexuals in the category of badness that is to be hated.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

Or shag your Dad.

Or throw a servant girl to a mob to be raped to death.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

Hateful or not the video does feed the notion that homosexuality is a greater "sin" than heterosexual relations outside of marriage. I note no video has been produced to suggest how to explain to a child why men and women living together outside of marriage is wrong. No other forms of sexual relationships unacceptable to Witnesses were brought up or used to provide a comparative equality of sin in Jehovah's eyes.

Worse still is giving a young kid the black and white message that gay people can change. Of course this means celibacy rather than some "cure" but that is not even hinted at nor is it even really within the comprehension of such a young child. To them, through this video, "gay" is a choice that an be changed.

I agree in principle with Cofty's argument regarding the risk of over egging the moral outrage however please also let's not accidentally mitigate the pernicious underlying message in this video that gays are not welcome in Jehovah's organisation or in his new world of cuddly lions. It is feeding stereotypes and forming a pattern of thought that will lead to predjuice and even outright hated.

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New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

by ttdtt in

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

disgusting!.

konceptual99

The great thing about this video is that it shows that anyone who is doing anything that the Bible condemns can't get through the big A. It is a clear example of the reality of Armageddon as requiring the destruction of billions and the truth about what Witness doctrine really teaches despite the protestations that it's all up to God to judge and won't kill anyone deserving of life.

So the next time a Witness throws that wishy washy line at you just use their own kids video against them and ask them what it's really saying about who can get on the narrow road to life found by few as compared to the broad and spacious road full of billions of people trudging off to destruction

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Branch Vists the new Regional Convention?

by konceptual99 in

so there was a mention yesterday about "next year's" branch visit and this being streamed.. is there a chance these will become the new regional convention?

consider the evidence:.

- branches being closed down or downsized.

konceptual99

That's a good point and probably the number one reason for keeping them the way they are but I don't think anything is sacrosanct and perhaps the financial impact is not as great as we might think or is there is (or has been) a slide in donations at the conventions.