In itself this is commendable. Let's hope no pressure is being put on these people to donate back.
konceptual99
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philipines disaster news up on jw.org
by Captain Blithering inhttp://www.jw.org/en/news/
wouldn't it be nice if they said 'you know what, we've made millions in property sales recently, lets donate a couple million to a philipines relief fund..'
ten vans full, probably just for jw's.
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The Circuit Overseer Appointing Local Elders - Connect the Dots
by skeeter1 ini thought about the change.
here's my take.. i think it's a move to protect bethel and the governing body from criminal charges for pedophilia occuring within a congegation.
criminal law usually works on specific knowledge of a situation.
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konceptual99
Don't hold your breath. The WTS would have to be exposed as knowingly sitting on a huge child abuse network before anything happened in the short term. I don't disagree with Skeeter's basic point and do think that over time there will likely be more political and social will to go after those at the top of orgs like the WTS but I honestly don't think the WTS have anything substantial to fear for some time.
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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants
by pixel inhello, you read it here first!.
governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
to all congregations.
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konceptual99
Yeah, cos any peodo is going to come clean when the CO has a friendly word.....
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WHAT IS GOING ON IN RUSSIA??
by DATA-DOG ini hear a lot of stories circulating about jws in russia.
the government is raiding houses for literature, just like the old days.
an eldub was rambling during the wt study about jws in russia.
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konceptual99
The impact of JWs being rooted in the US may contribute to some of the anti dub feeling but from my experience of being in the former USSR areas many times the people simply cannot let go of the old school control mentality. If it ain't state approved then it's open season.
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It about the money, counting and a few notes from our SAD
by Sour Grapes induring the special memorial campain the congregation was told to count all of.
the invitations on their time report, which i think is something new.
thursday night.
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konceptual99
The instuction to count tracts was in a letter read out in the congregations a couple of months ago.
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Take away these 4 words and JW's would be tongue tied
by Sour Grapes insoon, near, special, and obey.
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konceptual99
wise Christians
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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants
by pixel inhello, you read it here first!.
governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
to all congregations.
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konceptual99
Ok skeeter, I've read the article and do agree that the WTS will be looking to minimise exposure here. What, however, would be the implications of this type of prosecution? There must be 1000s of churches and charitable organisations in US alone that, were the DA's office to be successful, would then be at risk of criminal prosecution. Some will be tiny but what about the Catholic Church? Is a DA's office somewhere in the US going to subpoena the Pope?
I don't mean to pour scorn on your proposal as I think the WTS have been in the game long enough to know that it's always worth trying to pre-empt a situation. I would not be surprised if more heat does come on the leadership of organisations when it is clear that the organisational processes offered scant protection and potentially allowed abuse to continue. I also do see that the charge of knowingly covering up the abuse does present a direct risk to the GB. I can also see that by delegating the responsibility for appointing elders there is a potential abstraction of culpability.
My gut feel remains that the reality of a DA trying to bring such a prosecution would present such legal ramifications and have such limited chance of success that the legal resources available to the WTS are a far more effective risk management weapon than making the COs carry the can. I suspect that if there were to be a groundswell of action along these lines then public prosecutors would go for some lower hanging fruit than the WTS.
It would be very, very, very sweet if I was completely wrong however!
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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants
by pixel inhello, you read it here first!.
governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
to all congregations.
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konceptual99
Will do!
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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants
by pixel inhello, you read it here first!.
governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
to all congregations.
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konceptual99
I hear what you are saying skeeter. I have to add that have no formal law training plus I apprecitate things are different in the US to here in the UK. I could be way off base.
Having said that I think most would agree that it is difficult to bring sustainable legal charges against a corporation and it's officers, especially when a religious charity. True, if it were to happen the opportunity for legal game playing is far less than a tort case but I am still not convinced that concern over legal culpability is at the heart of this move to shift responsibility for appointments.
I see an organisation trying to save money, lose people, reduce the care exposure as long standing volunteers get older, find ways of securing revenue streams and keep the R&F beleiving the chariot is about to hit warp speed. I am not saying implications of civil or criminal litigation are being ignored, I just don't think all roads lead to the GB covering their flabby arses.
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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants
by pixel inhello, you read it here first!.
governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
to all congregations.
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konceptual99
I am sure there are legal experts employed by Brooklyn who looking at how to minimise the WTS's exposure to litigation. I just don't think every organisation change has some ulterior motive designed to keep the GB away from court. You only have to look at the Candice Conti case to see how sucessful the WTS is at stringing the legal process out. I think the effort and money it takes to bring even a pretty rock solid case to court is a far larger barrier. I do accept that criminal culpabilty perhaps is different but even then prosecuting a perpetrator is far more easy for the legal system to follow than trying to bring criminal charges against those percieved as officers of an organisation.
I know we all like to think that the GB is an evil, machiavellian entity, morphed into the ultimate end of level boss but I am sure most of this comes down to saving money and being able to reduce resource requirements. I think the casual treatment of those who have dedicated decades of free labour is far more of a shocking reality than believing the GB are trying to distance themselves even further from the evil clutches of the public prosecutor.