Posts by TheWonderofYou

Lorenz Reibling update... He is a wonderful person I am only mentioning him because he is very much supporting Jehovahs witnesses and helping in Nepal.

Lorenz invited Jehovahs witnesses from Selters to speak at the Holocaust Symposium

April 18, 2018

I dont agree, about that. historians habe much said about the biblestudents. This could hide the acutal problems.

Jehovahs witness were persecuted and brother Lorenz speaks about it. Courageous.

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

In 2009 a JW a lawyer for JW Dr Kohldorfer avtive for Austrian JW at the European Court of Human Rights together with other legal officer of jw held a press conference regarding to the official new status.

://www.google.at/amp/s/www.ots.at/amp/pr/OTS_20090507_OTS0293/

This took place in the fomer bethel Vienna 2009 which short *when* soon after the legal upgrading up to a state religion was sadly sold and monex transfered either to selters or new york .

I wonder how the upgrade had influenced this step. And why. Imagine an little cult upgrades to a state religion 2009/2010 being proudl of having a wonderful bethel in the capital - but short after the cult gets a religion it sells of the headquarter which would be a good prestige for a religion to have and decided now to reside in a little loft in a dirty street. Why? Did the Austrian brothers show humility and when they upgrades they downgraded in Selters spiritually meant?

At the former bethel addres an company was founded... a project debelopment agency who is since 2010 in liquidatio

nhttps://www.kompany.at/p/at/364616a

So short after the waters dried out in Vienna, the bethel habitants were sent home, instead of a bethel the architects who where happy with JW leaving the town planned to build new houses for people then living not with a dream of paradiese but really "stylish" in this world.The former bethel area is now a part of a greater project that includes neighbour property. In a prestige region of the town but with sound prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkKfNhtwZoY

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

Text lightly changed:

Austrias_JW have an own "embossed seal decree", they are legally allowed herewith to use an embossed seal on documents and certificates. It has to be used together with blue ink!. Might be that JW dont like online-communcation and Internet so much because it is not secure for their communcation in Austria or that JW would like to introduce the monarchial constitutional hierarchy again ;_)

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Siegelordnung.pdf

It seems the Austrian law of JW is a mastermind for the worldwide organisation.

You have to consider that Gerrit Loesch is not only GB member and head of legal affairs of JW ("LAWS!! and "denying Watchtower reader" who does not report to it but sits with the Watchtowerpresident in the coffeehouse having a white cofffee is himself an Austrian and he 100%certainly very well knows the Austrian constitutional rights of JW and studies them as much as the Watchtower what he denies.

Therefore you should also know the Austrian constituion of JW as much and as good as he himself knowns it. He is the chief of the troop. Imagine how they drink in Warwick together a coffee, the Austrian GB troop leader, who denies the Watchtower and the top JW lawyer of Warwick, who studied law inadvertantly but with affection to his masters and proposed to Loesh to deny in writing the contact to the watchtower and how they phone to the Austrian laywer and inform about the situation there because it is much better in Austria than with them.

He has certainly had contact or phoned with the JW-top lawyer who lives in Austria and is well known for being experts in religious minorities and who published official law commentaries. Imagine how the talk about the denying responsibily for the false blood policy. What was the name of this lawyer quickly?

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

Crphan Crow: "discuss estate planning".

Dear Crow, a little bit of information about estate planning instead of holiday planning in the pension....

The official journal of the religion JW in Austria published 2010 a new constituion for the new state religion.

The JW laywers (the JW layer is one of the best laywers in religious law in Austria) worked out the JW constitution for the state.

In paragraph 14 how the contributions are handled in Austria.

First the constitution according to § 13 says that baptism and affiliation to a local congregation are both premises for the membership in the religious association.
Secondly regarding the funds the JW constituiton reads that the society usually ACCEPTS [not encashes] donations and other grants in cash or asset value as well as heritage and legacy, which it receives to promote its goals and uses how it seems utile to her to fulfill the goals of this constitution.
Further in case that grants or heritages are not clearly classable to be given to a certain division or institution, the religious SOCIETY is presumed to be preconceived.
The [foreign] governing body monitors [the Austrian] directors and the disposition of the funds annually.[and however does not report voluntarily about its findings and is of course not oblidged to do so]]
Should the case occur that the funds are not sufficient enough to guarantee financiation of the religious society the branch office is allowed to stipulate temporarily or permanently a contribution and ist allowed to determine the regulations for such a contribution.
https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Jahrgang_2010__Nr.1.pdf

This already the actual constitutional law in Austria. It is awaited that the JW have to guarantee their own financiation.

This is the link with all offical journals of the religion since 2010. This is the constitution.

Under LAW ("RECHT") you find all official journals and all decrees.

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/Recht.41.0.html

- Decree- constitution

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Verfassung.pdf

Here you find also a special "investment management law" for JW in Austria

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Verm%C3%B6gensverwaltungsgesetz.pdf

or a

"Accident prevention law" for JW in Austria

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Unfallverh%C3%BCtungsgesetz.pdf

It seems the Austrian law of JW is a mastermind for the worldwide organisation.

Now let us wait for the certainly on 25th of May coming Austrian GDPR reacting to the "EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR") that applies with 25th of May.

Austrias_JW have an own "seal decree", they are legally allowed herewith to use an embossed seal on documents. It has to be used to gether with blue ink!. For documnts and certificates. (So the online-communcation is not so secure in Austria. There JW would like to introduce the monarchial constitutional hierarchy again ;_)

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Siegelordnung.pdf

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

LogHairGal wrote: But, at least other religions give a benefit to their community!

Here you have the statement of accounts (voluntariy annual audit) of the archdiocese Vienna Austria for 2016 about usage of church tax contributions. Such contributions are e.g. used by the church to finance own church order hospitals who are working with less cost then state public hospitals = support of the community. The order hospitals want to increase help for the town Vienna. The church hospitals number at the moment 131,000 stationary patients.

Characteristic for the religious hospitals is the combination of private sponsorship by religious orders or foundations and a non-profit commission. "So, we have a public service mandate and public-sector support to deliver high-quality health services, a high level of modernization and innovation, and create high patient satisfaction - and that's a very attractive area," Greher continued , Unlike for profit-oriented private and medical hospitals, "every euro" remains in the company and benefits patients.
This is indeed supporting the community. What a tight religious community with "christian" in the name should do!
(Charakteristisch sei für die Ordenskrankenhäuser die Kombination von privater Trägerschaft durch Ordensgemeinschaften oder Stiftungen und einem gemeinnützigen Versorgungsauftrag. "Wir haben also einen öffentlichen Versorgungsauftrag und werden von der öffentlichen Hand unterstützt. Dafür bieten wir Gesundheitsleistungen in sehr guter Qualität, ein hohes Ausmaß an Modernisierung und Innovation, und schaffen eine hohe Patientenzufriedenheit - und das zu einem ausgesprochen attraktiven Bereich", erläuterte Greher weiter. Anders als bei gewinnorientierten Privat- und Belegsspitälern verbleibe bei den Ordenskrankenhäusern "jeder Euro" im Unternehmen und komme Patienten zu Gute.)

https://www.erzdioezese-wien.at/site/home/nachrichten/article/64070.html

Further 0,9 % is used for develpment countries.. A closer look would be interesting. Such an information JW dont get.

1. member contributions total 2016: EUR 102,017 K
2. state reparation payments for church: EUR 10,401 K
3. rental income EUR 7,185 K
4. income from church activity EUR 3,228 K
5. subventions and grants EUR 4,237 K
= total income

As told the disposition of funds shows that

Disposition of funds 2016
50 % goes to the parishes (67,000 K €)
18 % for pastoral care
10 % education, culture and art
2,3 % social & cariative agenda
0,9 % to worldchurch & Development aid

For how many member is this. In the diocese Vienna (not only the town but also large surrounding vicarates and curates and decanates) live 1,2 Mio catolics.

Area: 9.100 km²
catolics: Katholik/inn/en: 1,2 Mio.

housholds: Haushalte: ca. 700.000

decanats: Dekanate: 54
parishesPfarren: ca. 657
church buildings: Kirchliche Gebäude: ca. 1.600
Priests: about ca. 1.000
Deacons: ca. 170

Hauptamtliche Mitarbeiter/inn/en (Vollzeit): 1.700
Pfarrgemeinderätinnen/-räte: ca. 4.600
Größte Pfarre: Wien-Aspern (12.304 Katholik/inn/en)
Kleinste Pfarre: Grafensulz (94 Katholik/inn/en)
Älteste Kirche: Ruprechtskirche, Wien
Größte Kirche: Stephansdom

https://www.erzdioezese-wien.at/dl/rmskJKJLNlllJqx4LJK/EDW_Rechenschaftsbericht_2016_WEB.pdf

BTW: I wonder why is the google translated english text really always only half so long than the German original text?

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

The amount payable 8 or 9% of an individual's net income or of the amount of tax payable for that year?
This depends where one lives. Basis for the calculation is the income tax or wage tax and property tax. In Bavaria and Baden-wittenberg 8 %. Everywhere else 9 %. Legally would be possible to make the capital return tax basis the but the church dispenses with that. For higher incomes a limitation can be either automatically applied or on request depending on what is advantageous. This is 3 or 4 % but on the gross income or wage not on the tax. A tax consultation is certainly good.
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchensteuer_(Deutschland)
https://www.lohnsteuer-kompakt.de/fag/2017/197/welchen_vorteil_bringt_die_kappung_der_kirchensteuer
In Austria its 1.1 % on the taxable gross income or wage.
Calculate yourself your mutual tax if you would be Austrian and
Pprotestant
https://www.gerecht.at/ihr-beitragsrechner.html
Catholic
https://www.erzdioezese-wien.at/kirchenbeitragsrechner

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

.It is quite clear that institutional status means in Germany and Austria that all religions have the right to collect contributions

What is mainly of interest, what is about is data privacy, how is it handled. Do the priests in the Catolic church or does the tax collection office know how much is my income automatically? No. For reasons of data protection. So it is in Austria and certainly also in Germany. And this would be also for JW.

Also if one gets seized to pay the contribution the office knows the name, but not the income yet. Howwere this is handled differently in each church and it seems even each dioceses and federal province. It seems that the priests and the church collection offices are working quite separated with other focus and not regularly talking with each other about who pays and who not. IN the other case the priest could help a person to negotiate the amount with the church tax office. But this could also be cleared directly with the office without the cleric.

Here is an information of a local church about the contributions. They try to get your money, but you can very well negotiate with the office. There are e.b. 300 cases per year in a certain diocese where the offices even seized the contribution from members.

Howwere this is handled differently in each church and it seems even each dioceses and federal province. It seems that the priests and the church collection offices are quite separated and not talking with each other.

I know personally someone who receives regulary a letter with the proposed contribution amounting to € 90 for a year, but he never pays it. So he has already gatherd an open amount of 200 € including former years. He has not to leave the church however. No priests ever talked to him about it. Only he himself once 20 years ago phoned there to give a selfestimated income estimation, one or two times he payed the fee but then never again because he lost his job and only unregularly worked. He is an irregular visitor of the church and the church certainly wants to avoid to loose its members, therefore this policy how it is. Some pay some do not.

Church contribution calculation according to the income (Catolic example)
Calculation bases are wages, salary, pension, the income according to valid income tax law. The church contribution for the income amounts to 1.1% of the contribution basis minus one withdrawal amount of € 56.00 for persons who only receive income from non-self-employed work and for persons who are taxpayers.
For reasons of data protection, the church contribution offices receive no information about their income situation. If no income data is available, the church contribution office is commissioned (according to the applicable church contribution regulations of 01.01.2005) to make the basis for the church contribution calculation on the basis of an estimate. These estimates are based on average income values according to Statistics Austria, or, if the profession is known, according to the current collective agreement (if available).
The minimum church contribution is: [seemingly for one year] tax deductible
€ 27.96 for payroll taxpayers and
€ 123,00 for income taxpayers.
For workers, employees, civil servants and pensioners, the church contribution is based on income according to income tax assessment (employee assessment) or according to the employment tax base (pay slip, pension statement).
The income tax assessment takes into account the tax allowances. So that this also in the calculation of the Contributions of the church, the submission of the income documents is a prerequisite.
The salaries of temporary soldiers, the income of assembly workers abroad, as well as the special support, will be like treated a taxable income.
Who is assessed for income tax, for which is for the calculation of the current church contribution, as a rule, the income of the previous year, the contribution basis.
This situation also applies to income tax payers when they are assessed for income tax due to employee taxation.
Additional income from agriculture and forestry is deducted from 'taxable income'. Income from agriculture and forestry is calculated according to the unit value.
In certain cases, the church contribution for income and wealth is determined jointly.
The first contribution requirement is for the calendar year following the 19th birthday.
The legal basis for the church contribution is the church contribution law with the church contribution ordinance of 1939.
In 1945, this was incorporated into the existing legal system. In addition there is the church contribution order of the Diocese of XXX from 1.1.2005 including annex for 2017.
The following times or references are free of church contributions:
Study without extra income
proper military or civil service
community service
Relief of emergency money
unemployment
apprenticeship
Household (without income), unless there is a mixed marriage
(A mixed marriage is when a Catholic is married to a spouse who is under state law not a member of the Catholic Church. This includes baptized but escaped persons). [tranlated by google]
50 % of the amount of the fee goes directly to the local parish and is used for personell costs, buildings, church own kindergarden.

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JW babies don't always get blood transfusions

by OrphanCrow in

it is a common misconception that a jw baby who requires a blood transfusion will get one through a court order.

this does not always happen.. the following study demonstrates how a jw baby is vulnerable to being used for experimental procedures.. sn-mesoporphyrin interdiction of severe hyperbilirubinemia in jehovah's witness newborns as an alternative to exchange transfusion.. the condition that these two jw babies had was hyperbilirubinemia (jaundice).

in both cases, the parents refused to give permission for their babies to receive an exchange transfusion after the standard treatment of phototherapy didn't work.

TheWonderofYou

HLC let the doctors and ethic committees believe that (excerpt of the guideline):

"Children of witnesses Jehovahs have no social disadvantages in their family or in a blood transfusion to expect their social environment. This will be clear from relevant publications. The Jehovah's Witness Local Hospital Relations Committee also has confirmed this.
As a rule, Jehovah's Witnesses also accept the legal obligation of the doctors, if necessary to interfere with parental responsibility, provided that the persons entitled to care have refuse consent to medically necessary treatments with blood transfusions.
Likewise, parents usually understand the crisis of conscience of doctors, if they would not treat children."
Askepios clinics Sankt Augustin, 2011
http://www.ethikkomitee.de/downloads/leitlinie_sa_zj.pdf

Other german information

EMERGENCY TREATMENT OF JW

https://www.thieme.de/viamedici/arzt-im-beruf-aerztliches-handeln-1561/a/medizinrecht-zeugen-jehovas-4620.htm

MEDICAL LAW - JW ABORTION, FERTILISATION

http://www.medizinrecht-stickler.at/02_Medizinrecht/02-01_Grundlagen/Jehovas_co.htm

In case of imminent danger - in case of emergency, the doctor must treat arthritis according to accepted scientific methods and perform a required blood transfusion!

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What are the "inner rooms" of Isaiah 26:20? The answer may surprise you !!!

by jwdoctrine in

"go, my people, enter your inner rooms, and shut your doors behind you.hide yourself for a brief moment until the wrath has passed by.

"(isaiah 26:20).

one of the questions that seem to trouble the governing body of the jehovah's witnesses in recent year is this: what will jehovah's witnesses be doing during the destruction of babylon the great?

TheWonderofYou

I guess it is the place where you are closest to the center of worship... in its heart... warwick, where the core team works.... behind the temple curtain ...which is the latest digital 4.o firewall and secret publisher ID..

Indeed astonishing hypocrisy of GB:

They are urging others to fear persecution and fearmonger about hiding away and install a centralized database with all private info ever about all JW members at the same time!!! Risking so getting easy hacked by the persecutors!! @How contraproductive and irresponsible so short before the attacks! Knowing there is no 100 ÷ secure data protection

As if in our age ecaxtly the enemy- hacker will not be interested and able to get to anyones names from a JW database, e.g. activties, place of living or health situation of lical elders.

GB is indeed not fearing anylonger seemingly or fearmongering over private data LOSS of its members to possible persecutors in the tribulation how heartlesy and nonresponsible

But they wont give their own data into the system I suppose but I wont speculate od course about the things in the future. Lets see then if the records of GB members will be printed out by the UN data specialists when the attacks start persecuting them at the coming " Babylon Great courts" by using hacked publisher ID with data.