Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Shunning legal since 1987

by TheWonderofYou in

legality[edit].

in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.

we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].

TheWonderofYou

If this "she will be shunned" pratice would be merely the little daily "shunning" it sounds even acceptable. If it would only mean than:

We dont have so much contact any more because we dont now about what to speak or what to do togehter, but we speak with the person and we help her to remain in the community if he wants, famikly contacts remain. .... than that would be okay.

I have a neighbour , i would never invite him, because I dont like his behaviour, we are not friends, i dont want him in my clique. This is the little shunning, nobody can urge me to like him. In the congregation sometimes we shun someone too, if we exclude the person from a clique, dont we?

If you read the JWorg text you think shunning is something acceptable.

But this is not little shunning it is a group shunning.....like a group mobbing, mobbing is illegal.

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Shunning legal since 1987

by TheWonderofYou in

legality[edit].

in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.

we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].

TheWonderofYou

Right.. They say they dont shun offically, interesting.

But the problem remains the same. I could not say to anyone I know in the congo , hey i dont believe in this things anylonger, but i like to sit here and listen.
Either I go away or i will be expelled.

They fought for their right to shun, but obviously the meant only "excommunication" and not the "no greating thing, the disgusting things"....?
Because they say that they dont shun at all.
Obviously the word "shun" is only falsely in the law text.

But why did they not only speak of excommunication/DF withouth that unnecessary "shun"-touch incl add-ons like not greating eg.? Was it really necessary to shun that woman in america to avoid compensation for damages?

Perhaps this former sister looked like a witch that should be shunned.

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Shunning legal since 1987

by TheWonderofYou in

legality[edit].

in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.

we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].

TheWonderofYou

Gone for good: A judicial committee cannot be formed in respect to a former member. And you are legally free to quit any religion at any time you chose. Stop making targets of yourselves - quit the f-----g cult now. Make a written record of the date to show the hounders when they finally track you down - they have no authority over you unless you grant it to them.

I like your tip: It is like over-rolling the cults procedure. Would be possible also in countries were the religion is state approved. Only resign in time at the proper authority.

But wouldnt they "shun" me anyway if i would suddenly disappear. Would my family members than not stop greating and visiting me anyway? I am not sure. It is very risky.

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TV.JW.ORG - October 2015: Neighborly love is more than just Field Service

by Designer Stubble in

the october 2015 jw broadcast, hosted by gerrit losch is quite positive actually.a lot of focus on "field service" needs to be balanced with other good works - supporting those in need around you - either in the congregation (witnesses) or in your classroom or neighbors (non-witnesses).

visiting and encouraging the sick and elderly is mentioned.

jesus parable of the merciful samaritan is highlighted.

TheWonderofYou

I wont believe it as long as there is not a special campaign "refugee help", "help for the poor" with a distinct account for refugees where I can send my money. Otherwise the money goes always to the organisation and I cant decide what they make with it.

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TV.JW.ORG - October 2015: Neighborly love is more than just Field Service

by Designer Stubble in

the october 2015 jw broadcast, hosted by gerrit losch is quite positive actually.a lot of focus on "field service" needs to be balanced with other good works - supporting those in need around you - either in the congregation (witnesses) or in your classroom or neighbors (non-witnesses).

visiting and encouraging the sick and elderly is mentioned.

jesus parable of the merciful samaritan is highlighted.

TheWonderofYou

The broadcast has shocked me, because the others are called "outsiders"

So there is distinction between the "disciples of Jesus" "preachers" in the parable and the "outsiders".

A religion that has it necessary to explain to its followers what is neighbourly love and labels them "outsiders" is strange. The Samaritanians are compared to outsiders?

Of course the building of kingdom halls is "sacred service" and not the charity towards outsiders, that is not "sacred service". So why not concentrating your efforts in sacred service than otherwise to let your light shiiiiiinnnnnne, as the bro. beautiful pronounced it.

Than: We have distaster relief service too that is also an activity of neighbourly love, and helping your brothers is neigbourly love too. So help goes first to the sisters and brothers.

So thats good begin this help in disaster, but if that is all, its not sufficient. Where are the regulare compains, like sending pioneers to Lesbos in greece helping the refugees. Only preaching in refugee camps is not sufficient.

"Does not the Management Committee of EAJW in Europe have the power

"to contribute funds to give spiritual and incidental humanitarian assistance in particular to the poor, the homeless and the sick especially in under-developed countries"

according to its constitution that is known to the United Nations and basis of its charity status?

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Shunning legal since 1987

by TheWonderofYou in

legality[edit].

in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.

we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].

TheWonderofYou

Legality[edit]

In June 1987, the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the Witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by Jehovah's Witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text … The defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs … The members of the Church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her. We hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100]

Does this law really say shunning ? Is it cited correctly?

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Countering JW shunning: How a social psychologist's work from 50 yrs ago points to a new approach

by adamah in

i've written a blog article on the topic of jw practice of shunning, inspired by a few recent threads on jwn where the results of social psychologist stanley milgram's work on authority figures came into the discussion:.

http://awgue.weebly.com/countering-jw-shunning-how-the-implications-of-stanley-milgrams-work-may-suggest-using-a-different-approach.html.

as usual, the article will be available for reading there, but please discuss over here in this thread.. .

TheWonderofYou

Shunning is legal according to US Court of Appeals!

found that on Wikpedia "JW and congregational discipline"

Does the US court not know what shunning means? Do they mistake it as mere "excommunication"?

Where is the text of this embarrasing american law? Please send us a copy. We will send it to the

Human Rights court on 12/10 Human Rights Day to clear what is "shunning" at all.

Legality[edit]

In June 1987, the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the Witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by Jehovah's Witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text … The defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs … The members of the Church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her. We hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100]

shunning is not the same as excommunication or disassocation

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Mass Mailer to Congregations & Branches - Those who can't disassociate

by thedepressedsoul in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/491270004/mass-disassociation-pact?size=10&page=15.

the topic above got me thinking.

everyone here can't send a disassociation letter due to family or other reasons.

TheWonderofYou

This would be like a Menetekel of something what could come later.

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

TheWonderofYou

someone already mentioned we should concentrate on three main arguments, at the moment reading all former comments . .i reached page 27.. pooh.

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

TheWonderofYou

Don let us hunt to death with dates. We have time. Its only a begin and it wil never end.
The Human rights are always valid and can be always addressed.
Better write and make a well checked, sound and legally on the point campain within the society and in the public than agitating and making errors.

You should at the same time show respect of the R&F members who are in the religion and belief everything.
The Human rights protect the members of the religion! We should not violate or destroy the reputation of the religion, think of the innocent children in the schools, how they could suffer, we were ourselves in the religion, dont forget, we should bring it to change itself

It will be a tightrope walk! How long have we thought of a campaing like this and perhaps we will win.
I am sure we will win, with diplomacy and protest and respect.

proposal text for leaflet:

A compaign with various initatives

"Speak the Truth", "Armageddon", "Mass class DA." are names of our campaing, We all speak the truth.
Various actions on many days

9/1 Next service year – We are not longer......
8/8 disassociate - Symbolic and real DA ..... "Armageddon"
12/10 Human rights Day "Stop the Silence - Speak The Truth"

Some of us will actually DA themselves and send personal letters to their congregations, other prefer to make anonymous statement using pseudonyms. Others will send leaflets to the congregations and headquarters and contact the public society. Why?

......