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TheWonderofYou
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The Australian: Women to 'Never Rule' in Jehovah's church
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/women-to-never-rule-in-jehovahs-church/story-fn3dxiwe-1227470092202.
august 4, 2015 annette blackwell.
a jehovah's witness official says the church's stance to never let women hold decision-making roles compares to muslim and aboriginal people adhering to their own ancient beliefs.
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Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead
by Viviane inrecently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.
i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.
first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.
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TheWonderofYou
Is it true that Qu-thinking is standard in science, but in daily life intuition and selective awareness result of experience are the preferred and proofed methods which our brain uses to confront reality and deal with decisions ? Qu-thinking is much more stressfull and complicated,
Does anyone fall in love by qu-th?
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Letter from Watchtower Australia to Governing Body (Watchtower Pennsylvania) regarding disclosure of information to secular authorities.
by C0ntr013r ini found this interesting document among the files watchtower sent to the royal commission:.
letter from watchtower australia to governing body (watchtower pennsylvania) regarding disclosure of information to secular authorities.. scroll 1/3 of the way down on this page to find it:.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
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TheWonderofYou
Here in the letter i am missing what happened to the victims, not mentioned. Only the criminal abuser is mentioned, so how would elders care for mostly female victims?
THAT is not counselled by gods word and thus not important or csn be managed by the elders secretly?
ELDERS are seen as "hiding place", but do they alone have responsibility for law-obidience in the congregation, (in this letter always elders seem to have responsibility) and not all christians.?
Should not each christian, publisher or elder have the morsl and ethic responsibility to go to police and not to elders?
"Privilege" in USA anf UK, they want a privilege for the elders, whereas the single christian publisher is again not encouraged to have civil courage but to go to unprofessional sheperds, who are not able to care for victims but ss hiding plave experts in silencing by subtle methods.
"It is not the responsibility of the elders to enforce Caesar's laws" is horrible JW Attitude. They wanna be law obidient but not enforcing any law,this is in view of the suffering victims of abuse civil ignorance, unethical dangerous, not pro active . Not enough Are they not allowed to elect but even worse not allowed to make Caesar suggestions how to avoid crime in their own house.?
Is constantly writing and argumenting with "mandatory laws" not a method to forget thst all christians have a moral responsibility and to forget the care of the victims?
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The Australian Royal Commission will NOT do a damn thing to the WT!
by Calebs Airplane inthe rothschild family will not allow the aussies to take any significant action against their religious wing (mormons, jws, adventists, etc.).
the worst outcome for the borg will be a relatively small fine and a deadline to change their rules.
that is all..
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TheWonderofYou
The usual procedure would be that either the Governing body itself proposed an adaption and revision of the procedure concerning child abuse, combined with a call for reports to all branches, or the Australian branch creates an example, which would be acknowledged and authorised by the Governing Body. Anyway it would be a late realisation. We see how the RC waits eagerly for the Governing bodies proposals -
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Book cover for Kingdom Maladies
by punkofnice inrighto poppickers.
as some of you know, i have been putting together a book of interviews and humour.
it is designed (i hope), soften the blow for those inside the wbt$ who want to escape and also prove to those that have left that they are not alone.. anyway.
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TheWonderofYou
Hey Gratulation for your humour. I like that
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Director of Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh Accused of Illegally Hunting Lion
by AudeSapere inhttp://news.yahoo.com/zimbabwe-accuses-2nd-american-illegally-hunting-lion-060415307.html#.
harare, zimbabwe (ap) zimbabwe has accused a pennsylvania doctor of illegally killing a lion in april, as it seeks to extradite a minnesota dentist who killed a well-known lion named cecil in july.. jan casimir seski of murrysville, pennsylvania, shot the lion with a bow and arrow near hwange national park, without approval and on land where it was not allowed, said zimbabwe's national parks and wildlife management authority.. landowner headman sibanda was arrested and is assisting police, it said.. seski, a gynecological oncologist who directs the center for bloodless medicine and surgery at allegheny general hospital in pittsburgh, is a big-game hunter according to safari outfitters and bow-hunting sites.
kill shots on the sites identify "dr. jan seski" as the man standing next to slain animals including elephants, a hippo, an ostrich and antelopes such as an impala, a kudu, and a nyala.. seski did not respond to messages left by the associated press at his home and with an answering service for his medical practice.
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TheWonderofYou
Pittsburgh Post Gazette, 20th Aug 2012
Dr Seski speaks in the story making the case for bloodless surgery about the hemodilution technique pioneered by him and others in 1977, prefered by Jehovahs witnesses.
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Director of Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh Accused of Illegally Hunting Lion
by AudeSapere inhttp://news.yahoo.com/zimbabwe-accuses-2nd-american-illegally-hunting-lion-060415307.html#.
harare, zimbabwe (ap) zimbabwe has accused a pennsylvania doctor of illegally killing a lion in april, as it seeks to extradite a minnesota dentist who killed a well-known lion named cecil in july.. jan casimir seski of murrysville, pennsylvania, shot the lion with a bow and arrow near hwange national park, without approval and on land where it was not allowed, said zimbabwe's national parks and wildlife management authority.. landowner headman sibanda was arrested and is assisting police, it said.. seski, a gynecological oncologist who directs the center for bloodless medicine and surgery at allegheny general hospital in pittsburgh, is a big-game hunter according to safari outfitters and bow-hunting sites.
kill shots on the sites identify "dr. jan seski" as the man standing next to slain animals including elephants, a hippo, an ostrich and antelopes such as an impala, a kudu, and a nyala.. seski did not respond to messages left by the associated press at his home and with an answering service for his medical practice.
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TheWonderofYou
Jan Seski's webpage says he was a pioneer and leader in the development of bloodless surgery for JW, whose religion bars them receiving blood transfusion. Gratulation for his pioneer spirit as hunter and minister for JW. Many witnesses financed his property, which he uses as hunting grounds. What a game for gynaecological oncologist.
Source: 1st story at triblive.com about dr jan seski
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For those of you "not baptised" and too afraid to front the RC. WT is hoping you won't come forward.
by umbertoecho inhello to those following what is going in australia with our royal commission.. i want to let all those abused, neglected, shunned and blamed that i understand why you may not front the rc.
the wtbts is hoping you will consider yourself an invalid complainant, because you are not or were not.....baptised.
if you were abused at a young age and you told on your dad or the bad man that did it.......you would have been taken aside by the overseer and read scriptures about lying and being immoral; even if you didn't know what that word meant.
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TheWonderofYou
Your story really deeply touches my heart.
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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?
by jonathan dough inhow much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
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TheWonderofYou
@CalebInFloroda,
I am interested in learning ..thats everything. If my comments are useful to strenghten your faith I would be honoured, although my knowledge is about is little compared to you. Im mainly fascinated about the fact how much material is available even in free googlebooks and theological essays in internet. And i like to share a perhaps useful explanation of a certain word and apprecitate your jewish view.
I think that I am implanted in the jewish olivetree, how this works together with covenant-theology is a unsolved mystery.ad sacrifice
Were the animal and other sacrifices than social and spiritual communion.( korban = coming close to God).Is it true that the sacrivices according to Leviticus "demonstrated" the might of the sin, by putting the guilt on stage the guilt had consequence for the representative medium, so that the wrongdoer was released of the guilt. Than the victim/sacrifcie was no price in anyway that was to be paid ("like in the corresponding ransom idea) but a medium to make aware of the reality of sin.
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How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?
by jonathan dough inhow much was the ransom?
gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.
gods gift required more.
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TheWonderofYou
@CalebinFloroda
I grew up with catolic shool education, with 16 I was baptized as JW, about 24 I left. Now am 49. with 18 I bought an expensice encyclopedia of a catolic university, a comparison of theological terms of Jewish faith, christian faith and muslim faith to get a better picture of the biblical terms. It was complicated to read, the language ist scientifical, but it lead me to the conlusion that JW have false picture of the church. Issues like blood and sacrificies seemed important for me.
Many years I didnt read religious literature at all because my wife didnt allow me to read, out of fear that I am going back to the witnesses. I married catolic, returned to the church. Nobody of my collegaues of my actual friens knows that I have ever been a witness. Even my daughter doesnt knows of it. About 2000 I got a Bible as christmans present of my daughter. And i liked the comments therein. About 2005 I found some theological book of pope benedikt in a church for free and read it, than I visited a church which functions as central catolic mission basis in my country and i began to read and like to booklets. How much simplier than JW-faith I thought, And now I can say that for each question, were the JW right or not, I found an answer in the catolic mission books for me personally.
This is the reason no why I would like so much to share my discoveries about sacrifice, ransom, redemption, sin, guilt,... all these complitaed old words, sometimes like labyrinth withouth not way out. sometimes I said, I dont wanna hear those theories anymore. But now I am happy that I didnt give up. I am a couch theologian and I wished I had a professional eduation, theological and biblical earlier.
I am trying to put all things togehter and get a picture that is my image of god now.
and I hope that I am not boring anyone with my sometimes complicated insights.But I think that escpially for ex-jw we should be well informed about terms like:
ransom, sin, sacrifice, redemption.... shouldnt we?
As Paul said:
"To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 21to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law."
Wasnt that our motivation as JW? Why did we then not study the jewish religion, why dont we know what HaShem means, why cant we talk with a catolic about the meaning of the ten commandments, because JW dont learn anything really deepgoing about other religions.
The Awake said "in the preaching work we learn about other cultures and to have respect of other religions", while the Watchtower at the same time condemns the other religions as Babylon that is only awaiting the final innihilation, the clerks would be the first feeling the hand of the UN-lead forces innihilating them.
That is no respect of other religions and so they will never learn anything about other religions, how can you help someone without knowing the other religion better than mentioning: they have the trinity, they are supporting war, they bless weapons, they adore Mary that is idolatry, they have pagan tradition, christmas, easter. They dont need to know more?
If you would like to discuss the terms, ransom, sacrifice further with me, I would be glad.