From a speculation about an illustration they make the most important dogma about the anointed christians saying that from 4 century onwards there was no associated corpoated group of anointed who could feed the other anointed ones, what also means that that there was no congregation / church.of the 144000 anointed at all and no faithful slave too because his main job was to feed.
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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Wheat Oversown and then overgrown?
This is from the parable of Weed among the Wheat, Matthew 13,24-30 and explained by Jesus in 13,36-43"Matthew 13,25 "But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. What does your Bible say?
From the .......sowed....weeds....in the ....midst...in the NWT becomes ... oversowed ........ not so in other languages of NWT though. Why is this important for the simple bible an WT reader?
The problem is that someone could easily interprete the word "over" as "overpowering" the wheat, from the simple new word "oversowed " the step to "overgrown" in the mind and in the WTstudy artices is short. Although Matthew 13,26, reads only "But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also."
It is a short jump in the mind from oversown to overgrown.
Watchtower study from WT 5/7/13 about important doctrine is touched because it contradicts the "overgrown"-thesis.
I am with you all the days (Jesus protects the anointed, His congregation / church of anointed would remain.)
http://wol.jw.org/de/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013531#h=11Feeding
How in the 4th century a "overgrowing" happendd, how "weedlike Christians had greatly outnumbered anointed Christians" was not explained in detail." but only specualted about "However, since they were overgrown by weedlike Christians, we do not know for certain who belonged to the wheat class during that long period of time."
http://wol.jw.org/de/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013531#h=11
Some basic christian principles speak against this thesis that has surely protestant or adventist origin
The other dogmas are connected with this fake teaching and should be "overthought" too.
Many Through the Hands of a Fewhttp://wol.jw.org/de/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013532“Who
Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?”
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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In the night I had some additional thoughts about the matter:
Parable of Wheat and Weed:
The author of the gospel called Matthew (gospel = good news of Jesus, who heals us), may have chosen these parable of Jesus into his collection because there was alread towards the end of the 1 st century a situation, that some lived a merciful life according to Jesus others not.
Check what was the lesson of the parable for you and the anointed, for whom the bible was written maninly:
1. Brothers and sister who are not conform, should be called "weedlike christians"
2. Anointed ones who are sure to understand and have a good attitude should be try to free themselves of any contact with weedlike christian, found a splittergroup of righteous and clean whorshippers or sit in the congregation on special places to demonstrate their anger.
3. There is a season of sowing and a season of harvest, the anointed have the duty to sow the good news,
in the latters days they shall take part in the harvesting, not be merciful to the weedlike and throw them out of the community.4. The sowing is plenty likewise God shows his love, the harvest is rough and rude, merciless.
5. The farmer does only his job, he knows that his work is not so important, because God is the one that let grow and that will supervise the harvesting. God will achieve what he intends. So it is with the the kingdom of God.
Which is the best?
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Royal Commission into Child Abuse - Australia
by biometrics insaw this in the paper today:.
the jehovah's witnesses church in australia is the latest religious group to come to the attention of the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.. the child sex abuse royal commission will hold a public hearing into controversial christian group the jehovah's witnesses, next month.. the inquiry, to be held in sydney, will hear from people who were allegedly sexually abused within the jehovah's witnesses church in australia.. it will examine how the jehovah's witnesses church and its company, the watchtower bible and tract society of australia, responded to claims of child sexual abuse within the organisation.. a victorian inquiry into how churches handle child sex abuse claims has previously taken submissions from former jehovah's witnesses who alleged instances of paedophilia, sexual assault, blackmail and death threats.. the organisation has 64,000 active "disciples" in australia but has also been described as a cult.. jehovah's witnesses believe their church is the one true religion and all others are wrong.
they are among a number of religious groups which have been examined by the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse including the catholics, anglicans, australian christian churches and the salvation army.. the jehovah's witnesses australian headquarters has been contacted for comment about the inquiry which is scheduled to begin on july 27.. http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witnesses-to-appear-before-sex-abuse-royal-commission-20150622-ghue73.html.
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A public hearing is i wonderful place for a public witness. The overseers of Bethel in Australia will certainly take the proper opportunity to explain to the public what has not yet completely been understood about the bethels wise provisions for these child abuse cases. The arcticles that have been printed about the matter in the groups organ "Awake" have been so persuading to all that the misunderstandings should in fact not exist any more actually.
Abusers' Register
Many dont know really much about the groups internal abusers registers and how they are handled, whether the data are freely given from an australian legal entity to an american legal entity to collect all abusers cases without state influence, all over the austrialian legal system. Who is appointed and held responsible for the data and which data accurately are given. Or is this a local register.
Who is appointed to handle those private informations and in which cases must the state legal system, the policy or child custody immediately be informed?
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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FusionTheism: No wheat at all for 1900 or 1800 years would not fit to the parable, because wheat grows allways togehter with weed, so if weed grows alone that would be a misuse of the parable.
But the parable cant be used as timeline measure.The begin of the parable "with the coming of the kingdom of heavens is similar to"...does not offer a timeline of happenings within the history. This expression was used by jewish rabbis and scribes in the 1st century often to tell aboout right behaviour and insight into the faith at the present time, that not a prophesy about what happens later. "It is like in this story..." In Mark 4,26-29 too the author of the gospel does not tell something about the ongoing growth of the church, of a process in history, because the farmer is mentioned only in the beginning and in the end. In the meantime the farmer can do nothing, only sleep and wait and get up in the morning. Automatical completley without the farmer the harvest ist done, a harvest that is described by Joel in 4,13, as Gods impact, than Gods time is here. So in the parables of sowing and harvesting and likewise of the growing wheat the process of growing is not important. #
It simple tells of the the wondeful intervention of God, who lets grow the semen after it is led into the ground, of the wonder that through gods intervention the fruit grows and new life rises. No man could hinder God or speed up this. With the kingdom of God is is likewise.. we can trust to that Gods sets begin and end of the harvest.
Not a churchhistory of growing, building activities, growing number of church-buildings, or human activities like projects e.g. is described, but the contrast between sowing and harvesting as a divine wonder. That was typical jewish thinking of that time period, that the sowing and harvesting are a divine wonder.Likewises we can trust in the Kingdom of God is a divine wonder. "Its like in this story..." Nothing more can be read out of the parable. As already mentioned the wheat and weed parable likewise teaches that we can trust in the wonder that God will somehow protect the wheat among the weed.
My verdict is that the wonder of the wheat among the weed is a reference to Gods intervention, but no reference to an intervention of the faithful servant or the anointed in the harvesting, that they should burn the weed.
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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The parabel does not say that the anointed or the faithfull servant class are appointed by Jesus to be harvesters. Its not their job at all. They shall wait as Jesus waits and has patience. Time for patience not harvest.
"Faithful servant" and "Weed among Wheat" are parables no prophesies.
Fusion: To What prophesy do you mean should it fit?
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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience
by TheWonderofYou inreferring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.
the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .
tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.
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Referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 CE - 1900 CE are discussed, and the parabel of the weed AMONG the wheat, I found out that it is not necessary at all that a "Slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting. The Slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for Jesus judgement.
Basis:tim310rd wrote: This goes along with the 2013 WT that changed the definition of the FDSL. There would be a period where the anointed were not discernible because the "enemy" was sowing weeds and they were allowed to grow together with the wheat.
WT 7/15/2013:: 4 Speaking about the wheat and the weeds, Jesus said: “Let both grow together until the harvest.” This command reveals that from the first century until today, there have always been some anointed wheatlike Christians on earth. That conclusion is confirmed by what Jesus later told his disciples: “I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matt. 28:20) So anointed Christians would be protected by Jesus all the days leading up to the time of the end. However, since they were overgrown by weedlike Christians, we do not know for certain who belonged to the wheat class during that long period of time. However, some decades before the start of the harvest season, the wheat class became discernible. How did that come about?
Did you discover the how the WT misuses Jesus parable?
Read Matthew 13,24-30.36-43 The allegory is called "The Weed AMONG THE Wheat. Yes the parable says let both grow.... but ...now the point: Jesus did not say that the Weed would ever overgrow the weat. That invention of the WT "overgrown by weedlike christians" are not Jesus thoughts. Thus JW give the impression that at a special time (perhaps 1900) the wheatlike would liberate themselves from the weedlikes and so the anonted ones would be cognizable or discernable as Wheat class to all mankind.
Verdict:
Jesus spoke of a phenomen of agriculture, there is wheat and there is weed. The same thing we should await in the church. Nothing more to interprete. For Jesus it was something totally normal that in the church would be the same phenomen. There would be wheat and weed, thats an allegory.
Jesus does not teach us here that we shall gather the wheat, that:- it is our job to inihilate the weed,
- to separate us from the weed
- to excommuncate the weed,
- to make a new clean wheat church without weed
- to fight against the evil ones and to destroy the weed already now with root and branch,
- to scrunch the people, wound the existences, blow off the hope by shunning and excommunicating the weed
- to be devotional radicalists
- to have holy eagerness
- to fight against the WT
- to print sectiarian charlatan proganda against the church
- to establish clear circumstances here and now.
Really? At least in this parable I cant find something like that only patience. But I would like to burn down the weed.toooooooo.....Why does he allow us to fail? Why the failure in the church...the failure of Governing body?
Yes thats the sencse of the parable, but are we not ourselves a little bit wheat and a little bit weed sometimes? Cant we wait for Jesus?
Cant we hear his call to be merciful anymore, he wants to heal and to save not burn down the weed, he shows us ony our heart,
If we would be in the regime we would burn down the weed, but not so Jesus. We live of his patience. The church is a manifold phenomon, but jesus bears up with that circumstances, have condience in Jesus.
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The Bible is NOT Error-Free
by FusionTheism infor many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.
but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?
why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?
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What church? - punkofnice
Its a Book of the church for church service.
Jesus already founded a church, a church to remain.
Not the scrolls and parchment were so important but the church was most important.
You can conclude that the Christian faith should not be a faith of single book readers that are fighting over the right interpretation of there parchment scrolls and papyri, but a faith of merciful people having a communion together, for Jesus wanted a church because he wanted to live in it, as if the church were his second life,
That is the meaning of the church and the Lord supper communion, what he lived through, his death and resurrection, acceptance and prosectution, would his brothers live throught togehter with him later in the church. Therefore the church is the body of christ, closely connected with christ. Therefore they should partake from the symbols. Therefore if you partake in the lords supper you not only remember jesus christ, but you eat him. Your complete body is in unity with jesus christ in one body.Therefore the importance of the symbols bread an wine. Therefore he ensured to Peter that the church would never go to vain.
The center of the faith is the Truth = jesus Christ
Not a bible college, not a Bible discussion, not the moral code, the center is a person jesus christ
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Prayer
by TheWonderofYou indear lord jesus,.
let me be a friendthat when i need a friend somewheni will be not alone.. jesus, my saviour, my truth, my life,be my friend if i dont understand your wordand sometimes am confused.
be my friend in the stormy time,let me trust and believe in your mercy.dont let me judge about wheat and weedbut trust in your heart.
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by TheWonderofYou indear lord jesus,.
let me be a friendthat when i need a friend somewheni will be not alone.. jesus, my saviour, my truth, my life,be my friend if i dont understand your wordand sometimes am confused.
be my friend in the stormy time,let me trust and believe in your mercy.dont let me judge about wheat and weedbut trust in your heart.
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Im a little bit too busy, today am I not? Why is it not possible to delete a thread afterwards?