Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

TheWonderofYou

After hundreds and thousands of years of different interpretations and points of views there is only one option that we accept all possible options of understanding about a biblical term like "kingdom" as possible and principally as enrichment of our common human knowledge-database. Our hopes and misunderstandings are parts of our development. I am not discussing because I wanna win or "preach" but because I wanna show that there is an other thinkable option that would lead to another view about something, more a philosophical standpoint.

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

TheWonderofYou

Do you remember the words of Christ about the Sabbath?

Likewise it could be said that man is not made to serve the kingdom,

but the kingdom is made to serve man.

Indeed the Kindgom is inmidst of us, if Jesus is in our Heart, then it is.

God does not want to be king without man, aloofed. A independent kingdom only administrating the human belongings on earth, is not what god intended!

In ancient time if Jews said "The Kingdom", or "put the Kingdom First place in your life" it was the same as to say "love of God is on the first place and love to the neighbour on the second", the terms were interchangable. It circled around the spiritual regiment of God.

It was not a loofed teaching about some magical kingdom or humanlike regiment. Do you see how "love" is always mentioned by Jesus, "love God... love neighbour".

So it meant simply to put God (Gods domain) on the first place in ones life, the more people honour god, the more kingdom will be, so simple.

So the kingdom is not an "invisible" present kingdom but a "present by carried out love kingdom", insofar we believe that Jesus lives, insofar we love God and we love the neigbhour = thats the Kingdom domain, then it is present in our heart and life.

The actual presence of Gods domain of love is represented throught the symbol of bread and wine.

So close as Love and mercy is in our heart and our brain, in our thoughts and feelings, so really present is gods kingdom

Would you agree to may idea:

Gods Kingdom = Regiment of Love ???

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

TheWonderofYou

Further: In Gods Kingdom the issue is not DOMINANCE but SERVICE.

Not the question who takes the best seat of the 144000, to the right or to the left of christ;

is relevant but who serves most.

This shows that the biblical language and symbols of King, 144000 thrones are only symbols,

No absolute power comparable with human regimes is emphasized but the regiment of love

Therefor if we pray the call "Come, return Jesus",(second coming) we are not afraid of Armageddon

but we hope to see our brother-King Jesus again return like a king and judge full of mercy and love, as he was at the first time.

The real kingdom = domain of Love is not comparable to "Jehovahs kingdom" preached by JW.

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

TheWonderofYou

As the avove scripure shows the kingdom does not circle around real aloofed 144000 kings in a distinct place,

its not a REAL (ABsolutistic) GOVERNMENT with obeying members, but is a kingdom of the LEAST ones., a kingdom of love for the least ones.

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

TheWonderofYou

The kingdom should be a own thread, but additional it is interesting that the israel kings were anointed by usage of an anointing oil, crysam oil, the imageof the oil was clear :

The king was anointed to bring the people comfort, consolidation the comfort of God and alwyays the people should be more important than the king, the king should represent God and be his minister in comfort (theologically)

This anointement crysam oil is even used today during the confirmation rite of young girsl and boys in the church.

The Domain of God =kingdom of God is only a spiritual meaning about comfort and consolidation, as the anointing oil symbolically represents, it is completely not a matter of a real government as JW think.

The anointment with crysam oil is a spiritual comfort,

the anointed one = Messiah is a comforter and thus

the kingdom is a spiritual one,

which brings comfort to the people of all mankind,

over human engament, love among each other,

"The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

TheWonderofYou

I appreciate the information that you give about us about your relaxed attitude to the JW system, you are courageous because you risk all the time to be discovered for your free and disobedient views you can never be sure that somebody wont report you to the elders if a person doesnt like you. You are in a difficult situation, establishing sects is strongly against the thought of unity.

You are concerned about the kingdom, but the kingdom was already misunderstood in Jesus times, im not so sure what the kdm is as you seem to be about.

A similiar point of view is hold by modern catolic theologians.. that kindom of god is not limited to the church but includes all people of good will.

The pictures of the kingdom with god king,absolutistic might, thrones on which kings sit, crown, jwhw or jesus holding a scepter are only shadows of the reality, images of the meant thought, that the kindom is a spiritual domain, rather than any humanlike society order, like the british kindom or an antique kindom.

The biblewriters and rabbis used the known pictures of kings and kingdom like david or salomon to express a theological thought about gods kingndom.

But the prophet had critized if ancient kings reigned over israel, not as they should do as anointed =messiah, namely as ministers and representatives of TheEternal.

so indicating that the human form of rulership is always unimportant symbol but the spirit of ministry and sacrifice for the people was important, a messiah king (= anointed one king) has to be a minister andnot abusive king, so the bible relatives the image of what a king is, and of whst a kingdom is.

The mercy and love that jesus revealed about god was early connected by first christian as fulfillment of Jesus being an anointed king in anew form of kindom, gods domain of love.

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The Whore Babylon

by TheWonderofYou in

antipapal propaganda, 1522 a.d., the whore with papal diara sitting on the 7-headed drake..

TheWonderofYou

The judgment of the great whore.—Papacy, the “beast.”—Rev. 19:2.

And I saw a woman.—The Roman Catholic Church.

Sit upon a scarlet colored beast.—Pagan Rome, and its successors.

With the wine of her fornication.—The mixed doctrines, part truth and part error, that originally led to the union of church and state,—the spiritual harlotry.—Jer. 51:7; Rev. 2:20; 17:5; 18:3; 19:2.

did the church ever have Part truth if it was always a harlot?

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Cathlee A. Koenig, Eternal Word Television Netword:

"Charles T.Russel published a six-volume series entitled Millennial Dawn (later called Studies in the
Scriptures) which, in a fit of hubris, he declared to be "practically the Bible topically arranged." It outlined doctrines which the Witnesses still hold today, including Jesus' pre-existence as Michael the Archangel and the idea that the Catholic Church is the primary component of the "Whore of Babylon."
The book also embraced some ideas now rejected by the Watchtower Society, such as support for Zionism and the curious belief that the Great Pyramid at Giza corroborated biblical prophecy."
(https://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/RUSSELL.HTM

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The Whore Babylon

by TheWonderofYou in

antipapal propaganda, 1522 a.d., the whore with papal diara sitting on the 7-headed drake..

TheWonderofYou

In the Finished Mistery, 1917, chapter 13, the Pope and the Protestant Beast is described by Russel

and followers as fulfillment of the Revelation of John

The Text is taken from the good readable free E-Book "The finished Mystery"

by the gutenberg project

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/46016/46016-h/46016-h.html

Page 259: The judgment of the great whore.—Papacy, the “beast.”—Rev. 19:2.

Comment to Rev. 19.2: "Which did corrupt the earth with her fornication.—Her illicit union with worldly governments.And hath avenged the blood of [His] HER servants at her hand.—The millions who have perished in the Great War have been the servants of Babylon. The direct cause of their slaughter is the doctrine of the Divine right of the clergy. These have maintained the kings of Europe on their thrones, falsely telling them they are ruling as part of Christ's Kingdom. This position has led to the death of all these millions, and their blood will be required at Babylon's hand."For Russel the fornication consists mainly in the connection with the worldly governments and the resulting bloodguiltiness...

Comment to Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens.—Catholic heavens—popes, bishops and prelates."

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The church history is full of human failure, so much that all could understand

well Dante Alighieri's (1265-1321) vision of the whore babylon sitting in the

church carriage, an image he used in his Comedy condemning the corrupt RC Church.

The tremendous words of William of Auvergne who said in view of the

imbrutement of the church, that everyone who saw it, would have to freeze of horror.

"This is no bride anymore, but a beast of terrible monstrous form and ferocity".