Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Countering JW shunning: How a social psychologist's work from 50 yrs ago points to a new approach

by adamah in

i've written a blog article on the topic of jw practice of shunning, inspired by a few recent threads on jwn where the results of social psychologist stanley milgram's work on authority figures came into the discussion:.

http://awgue.weebly.com/countering-jw-shunning-how-the-implications-of-stanley-milgrams-work-may-suggest-using-a-different-approach.html.

as usual, the article will be available for reading there, but please discuss over here in this thread.. .

TheWonderofYou

Shunning is legal according to US Court of Appeals!

found that on Wikpedia "JW and congregational discipline"

Does the US court not know what shunning means? Do they mistake it as mere "excommunication"?

Where is the text of this embarrasing american law? Please send us a copy. We will send it to the

Human Rights court on 12/10 Human Rights Day to clear what is "shunning" at all.

Legality[edit]

In June 1987, the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the Witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by Jehovah's Witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text … The defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs … The members of the Church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her. We hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100]

shunning is not the same as excommunication or disassocation

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Mass Mailer to Congregations & Branches - Those who can't disassociate

by thedepressedsoul in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/491270004/mass-disassociation-pact?size=10&page=15.

the topic above got me thinking.

everyone here can't send a disassociation letter due to family or other reasons.

TheWonderofYou

This would be like a Menetekel of something what could come later.

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

TheWonderofYou

someone already mentioned we should concentrate on three main arguments, at the moment reading all former comments . .i reached page 27.. pooh.

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

TheWonderofYou

Don let us hunt to death with dates. We have time. Its only a begin and it wil never end.
The Human rights are always valid and can be always addressed.
Better write and make a well checked, sound and legally on the point campain within the society and in the public than agitating and making errors.

You should at the same time show respect of the R&F members who are in the religion and belief everything.
The Human rights protect the members of the religion! We should not violate or destroy the reputation of the religion, think of the innocent children in the schools, how they could suffer, we were ourselves in the religion, dont forget, we should bring it to change itself

It will be a tightrope walk! How long have we thought of a campaing like this and perhaps we will win.
I am sure we will win, with diplomacy and protest and respect.

proposal text for leaflet:

A compaign with various initatives

"Speak the Truth", "Armageddon", "Mass class DA." are names of our campaing, We all speak the truth.
Various actions on many days

9/1 Next service year – We are not longer......
8/8 disassociate - Symbolic and real DA ..... "Armageddon"
12/10 Human rights Day "Stop the Silence - Speak The Truth"

Some of us will actually DA themselves and send personal letters to their congregations, other prefer to make anonymous statement using pseudonyms. Others will send leaflets to the congregations and headquarters and contact the public society. Why?

......

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

TheWonderofYou

STOP THE SILENCE.

Speak the Truth.

December, 10

I like the human rights day for informing the public society.

Let me prepare a letter with the items:

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Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade in

any takers?

we can pick a date and pull the plug?

lol .

TheWonderofYou

December 10, Human Rights Day ?

The day of the annual meeting ?

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U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

by TheWonderofYou in

i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

TheWonderofYou

We could ask for establishment of a Human rights Commission who would engage in this problem and who could prepare the legal frame.

BTW I am alread trying to prepare a sample letter to the U.N. ,

sombody could write it in better english then.

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U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

by TheWonderofYou in

i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

TheWonderofYou

Human Rights Day 2015, December 10
at Google

https://www.google.at/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1FGGD_deAT573AT573&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=human%20rights%20day%202015

Last statement of High commissioner for Human rights

http://www.un.org/en/events/humanrightsday/2014/statements.shtml

His Excellence High Commissioner for Human rights Prince Zeid bin Ra'ad, a muslim, under his auspices are the submissions of JWs too and the Human Rights Committee and the Human rights council.

http://www.un.org/sg/management/senstaff_details.asp?smgID=186

TOP NEWS of the High commissioner (responsible also for all JW submissions)

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/Media.aspx

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Office of the High commissioner for Human rights.

General Inquiries:
Telephone: +41 22 917 9220
E-mail: [email protected]

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We could generelly ask for contact persons in the Human Rights committee in our matters,, might be human rights attorneys or might be human rigth organisations who have already experience, so that our problem could be addressed sharply at the goal: human right violations within minor religions.

I think it should not be directed against a special religion, but described as general problems in minor religions which confine themselve. Because minor religions are protected under the Declaration of Human Rights!

We could only propose an addition legal procedure to supervise the cult-internal processes and disciplinationsmethods for harmful actions (as well as the treatment of former members by members of minor religions), which could be implemented as review process. Only a thought. Think of suppression of women too in many religions.

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U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

by TheWonderofYou in

i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

TheWonderofYou

The Universal Human Rights Index

shows you all the Human rights.

http://uhri.ohchr.org/search/annotations

Goto advanced search and filter for the Rights!

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U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

by TheWonderofYou in

i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

TheWonderofYou

Googled "Human Rights Committee" + "jworg" and found dozens of JWorg kudos too U.N. Human Rights committee.

https://www.google.at/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1FGGD_deAT573AT573&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=human%20rights%20committee%20jworg

WT was never a "member" of U.N. (only states can be " member" states!)
WT was what now is called "DPI-NGO"
Not the WT NY. but the European sister is as Civil society organisation now appealing to and submitting reports to the U.N. Human Rights Committee, resutling to the above achievments.

Does not JW by appealing to the Human rights committee implicitly agree to the U.N. charta and the UN International Declaration of Human Rights ?? To the same U.N. charta that was the reason to disassociate the WT as DPI-NGO. Is this open and public cooperation with U.N. and OSCE not more implicitly agreement to the U.N.O. than was ever a library card in New York, that was in the possession of the WTBTS N.Y?

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DPI NGO:

http://outreach.un.org/ngorelations/

latest application form:
http://outreach.un.org/ngorelations/files/2012/06/Association-Application-Form-2012-fq.v2.pdf

latest membership criteria as DPI-NGO. (not necessary to be ESOCOC member at all, "with either of the two branches DPI or ESOCOC")

http://outreach.un.org/ngorelations/membership/