Pooohhh, i know its a shame but i must admit that I cant answer one question without an aid, somethings I never heard of before. Even now after nealry 30 years have passed since i left
TheWonderofYou
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More of What the Watchtower Didn't Teach You
by CalebInFloroda inwhat kind of bible education did the governing body really give us?
how much important information about it did the watchtower really teach us?
how much are we missing out on if we are one of jehovahs witnesses?.
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Largest amount of refugees since WW2 in Europe
by Powermetal4ever inso i had a discussion with my mother about this, and she claims that because of this that: "we are surely living in the last days right now" while i must admit myself that the situation seem chaotic, i don't want to believe that it is the last days.
so question is, how do i face an opinion like that?
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A speaker of foreign minister of Saudi Arabia officially protested against the negative media reports, they integrated 100.000 syrians as citizens but not as refugees with right for education health care and employment .
Why dont these syrians tell more.
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Guardians Of Doctrine (GOD) and the Governing Body
by punkofnice ini don't know if gb member g jackson really meant the gb were 'god', with his 'guardians of doctrine' comment at the arc.
it's nice and conspiracy to think so, i suppose.
i honestly don't know.
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It does appeal to our lust for learing, sensations and new stories, eerm did we really catch up his new theocratic term GOD, did we really talk so long about some nonsense, does he laugh now? -
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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
by Paul Bonanno ini have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.
they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".
one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.
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Umbertoeco
Good ideas, noticed.
The location of the European NGO should be in Europe, and it should mainly address european situation within cult.
And of course, yes! COOPERATION with an other NGO, perhaps tolerant church or minority church ..that has better internal procedures and treats members better.
or we could write to OSCE and ask them to propose us a cooperation partner.
in my opionion to stand up alone as former ones, could bring us the outsider image of ...the revengers, the eternal ex'es or anti-freedom of cult workers, although we would like to concentrate only on one or two main issues about procedures and so start an avalanche to investigste later more procedures and lately it should result in best practice in handling of church members who are not conform or are suppressed after being assaulted in all minor captive religions.
So we should really not give the impression to zealously fight against freedom of belief of minor groups, but we only are concerned much about our fsmily mrmbers and friends lost in the cult to whom is forbidden to contact us. And we would ask the OSCE to agree to a research project about practice regarding church discipline in Europe, compared with discipline in other associations, instituions or in contracts.what are the effects snd costs for public for bad discipline or
Urging children to attend ethic lessions would be against their personal free choice of belief, thus not practicable.
So I will think about what kind of cooperation with OSCE,
Your proposals are welcomed.
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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
by Paul Bonanno ini have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.
they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".
one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.
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TheWonderofYou
Bonnano - FECRIS
This anti-cult orh has no good reputation , so far i know at Helsinki counsel., ..separates children from parents to de-mindcontrol them in brutal radical ways.
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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
by Paul Bonanno ini have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.
they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".
one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.
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.. i did'nt notice it at all when i uploaded, the text above about the situation in turkmenistan reads actually. ..
"To restore the civil and political rights oj JW" (...? political?)
when one human right attorney depended on a second one, and that spoke with diplomacy you should of course receive all rights of a usual citizen, thats the minimum
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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
by Paul Bonanno ini have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.
they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".
one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.
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Background info - Which statements do JW give to the OSCE- Human Dimension Implemenations Meetings:
Here a written statement by the Jehovahs witnesses about the situation in Russia concering freedom of belief, assembly of 2014 ( acknowledge as HDIM.NGO / 0352 /14 / EN 1. October 2014 )
http://www.osce.org/odihr/124739
http://www.osce.org/home/71569
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Guidlines are co-ordinated with other Religions:
Recognition of Religious or Belief Communities.http://www.osce.org/odihr/13993
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Hate crimes are reported
http://hatecrime.osce.org/what-hate-crime/bias-against-christians-and-members-other-religions
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US mission to OSCE
http://www.osce.org/odihr/27214?download=true
US department of state
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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
by Paul Bonanno ini have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.
they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".
one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.
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Vidiot17 hours ago - The WTS "knows a guy who knows a guy"... who happens to be the "Wild Beast".
Obvioulsy the attorneys of the EAJW are not in danger under the protection of the umbrella of OSCE, it as really secure and peaceful place, onlty if the UN-diplomates would appear it would be a little unconvinient there in the workshops and on the roundtables, and the image of the "wild beast" must have another significance.
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Guardians Of Doctrine (GOD) and the Governing Body
by punkofnice ini don't know if gb member g jackson really meant the gb were 'god', with his 'guardians of doctrine' comment at the arc.
it's nice and conspiracy to think so, i suppose.
i honestly don't know.
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I associate the term "guardian" with .... "guardian angel" ...'messenger" and that remindes of
1919: The seven angels, or "messengers", of Revelation chapters 1 and 2 are identified "for the first time in the history of the church" as St Paul, St John, Arius,Peter Waldo, John Wycliffe, Martin Luther and Charles Taze Russell.[131] "The Table of the Great King,", The Watchtower, April 1, 1919, as cited by James Penton, Apocalypse Delayed, pg 181
Watch Tower literature has suggested such enlightenment results from the application of reason and study,[17] the guidance of holy spirit, and direction from Jesus Christ and angels.[18] Rutherford spoke of spiritual "lightning flashes in the temple",[19] the Society claims its doctrine of the "great crowd" and "other sheep" were "revealed" to "God’s earthly servants" in 1935,[20][21] and Witness literature has also described sudden changes in doctrines as "flashes of light" given by God through his holy spirit.[22] A 1930 publication claimed God used "invisible deputies" and "invisible angels" to pass his "messages" to The Watchtower,[23][24] although The Watchtower told Witnesses it was not necessary for them to understand how this took place.[25] A 1973 policy change to disfellowship tobacco users was explained as a decision that "Jehovah has brought to the attention of his 'holy' people".[26#
Thanks go to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_doctrine
Perhaps the Governing body thinks that not St. Paul, St. John, Arius , Peter Waldo, John Wicliffe, Luther, Russel, but that the real messenger are those Governing Body member that saw "the generation" or 1914/1919, who knows?
It could be further that the Governing body members = Watchtower Directors of 1919 are the real messengers,
or it could be that 7 succeeding Watchttower directors: Conley, Russel, Rutherford, Knorr, Franz, Henschel, Adams are the messengers This would not include the current GB members though, who would be only agents of Adams.
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OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
by Paul Bonanno ini have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.
they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".
one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.
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Ukraine 2014-2015...Think further about the fact that the security in Ukraine is in this moment very instabile,
OSCE is committed with supervision of the elections in Ukraine._____
Of course I thought too this could be a "Big Thing" that I discovered because it could be hypocrasy, but what kind of big thing is it lately really? And Would it not be more important than to speak of hypocrasy to insist on human rights for the members of the minority churches as well, because within these minority churches are often tight and strict procedures that surpress the freedom of thoughts? But how to describe these bad procedures in the frame of human rights?
So I began to look deeper and fist I thought about the reasongs for permanently participating as EAJW or JW eastern european sister charity-NGO's on the OSCE conferences.
FACT 1. The OSCE is indeed THE keyplayer in European "S" matters and "C" matters, you cant think to big of it, it is the "Big Cheese" if its about Implementing Democratic institutions and Human rights and implementing standards and for legal basis and establishing legal entities for religious charitys of the civil society in the european countries. At the present time it should be a Must for anyone who is interested in Human rights to learn about the OSCE commitments.
Dont underestimate the significance of the OSCE meetings and the important contacts.
"The events of 2014 reasserted the continued relevance of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) as the world’s largest regional security organization. The crisis in and around Ukraine, the most serious security crisis in the OSCE region since the end of the Cold War, underlined the importance of the Organization’s role in promoting security, including in what the OSCE calls the “human dimension” of security", says Michael Georg Link, Director of OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights, Annual report 2014. The elections in Ukraine will be held this October, 2015. http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/ukraine
Look further into the list of high ranking honorable diplomates of many countries in the list of 2014:
Diplomates of several most important states as US state departments, ministers of foreign affairs, embassadors and delegations of Canada, USA and Easter European countries as Kazakhstan, Krgyzstan, Liechtenstein, Uzbekistan, Russian Federation, Switzerland, Ukraine, Israel, Egypt, Afganistan, Thailand, and diplomates of the Holy See, the Council of the Bishops' Conferences of Europe.
If you take a short look on the respresentatives of the most important and honorable international institutions e.g. Community of Democracies, Council of Europe, European Commission, United Nations High commissioner of Human rights, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees- Liaison Office in Austria, as well as representatives of OSCE internal missions and field activities in various countries e.g. Tajikistan, Serbia, Kosovo, Ukraine, Yerevan/Armenia, you will certainly agree that this is not merely a conference of a little neighbour communities somewhere in the mountains but a conference that has worldwide effects.
Looking further at the broad variance within the 469 NGOs (non governmental org, charities of the civil society) participating 2014 as Human right organisations, Scientology, Islamic Renaissance Party, Save the children, Simon wiesenthal center, Turkmen initiative for human rights, Women's Independent Democratic Movement - WIDM, Women's Resources Center "SINTEM"Youth Human Rights Group, Warsaw University, Swiss Peace Council, Russian State TV Channel ZVEZDA, Russia Today you see that you would have to plan well with whom you talk and meet or plan a side-event on the conference or with whom you would establish long-term contacts.
Further ODIHR is assisted in its work by the 12-member Advisory Panel of Experts on Freedom of Religion or Belief, which consists of independent experts from throughout the OSCE region. Members serve in their personal capacities as experts and do not represent any organization or confession.
Where else than in this environment could you implement Human rights?
FACT 2. What kind of work is done at OSCE meetings?
Its of course not about talking of doctrine or belief (interfaith) with other NGOs but implementing the legal and practical standards for democracy as well as implementing good practices for implementing legal constituional basis for religious entities or other minorties as well as how money can be transmitted from abroad to a legal entity in Eastern Europa where no legality is yet.
The modern successfull OSCE approach to secure and stabilize democracy and human rights depends on the absolute will to co-operation among the NGOs and to share good-practices This is the big plus for the NGOs and reason for OSCE's reputation and authority with the countries.
Togehter we are strong! And talking at the diplomatic parquet and work for a joint basis is better than writing appealings letters for religious freedom when it is already to late - alone! Think bigger, co-operation in due-time is the up-to-date way of fighting for freedom !
Also don't forget the appeal of Thomas Wipf ECRL Executive Committee said 2012, speaking about to all religious leaders “They should speak out on behalf of and defend the needs and rights of religious communities other than their own.” It is necessary that all leaders transcend the boundaries of their own faith to point to the importance of freedom of religion and belief.
Floriane Hohenberg, the Head of ODIHR’s Tolerance and Non-Discrimination Department said. “We believe that co-operation between religious communities, as well as other civil society actors, is vital in ensuring that OSCE commitments on freedom of religion or belief are fully implemented".About 1000 diplomates and 500 charity-NGO represantives participate at the annual meetings!
An the UNO as you may have already discovered is course working hand in hand with OSCE.
Obvioulsy it was a successful decision of the governing body to found the charity "Europan Association of JW" in 2000 and to co-operate for human rights with the OSCE and United Nations since then.