Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Jesus had to die? Really?

by punkofnice in

i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.

couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.

i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.

TheWonderofYou

BTW beloved, how can I add some biography to my avatar?

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Jesus had to die? Really?

by punkofnice in

i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.

couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.

i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.

TheWonderofYou

Had to die? I think Y and no,

Yes because he was consequent and his service contradicted the religious and political background,

No, not to fullfill any prophecy nor to proof that a man can be faithful to God in the issue of Loyality
nor to be the remnant of Adams deeds. (These later interpretation of the happenings do not make
the happenings (e.g. pain and death) itself to something that was necessary to give as a remnant.

The first christian only tried to understand what they have survived and explained death and pain of Jesus
with the words and pictures of the jewish liturgy, temple rituals and the Olt Tesament texts of the prophets.
So as if everything what the jewish religion is about has been fulfilled truth jesus. (Pictures like the lamb that
has to be slaughtered etc.) But the death of Jesus or the blood of Jesus is not seen as factual sacrifice like
the blood of the goats and bulls that have been sacrificed for the sins in the temple. Jesus was not sacrified
within the frame of Jewish cult and rituals, and not killed in the Jerusalem temple, his blood did nof flew over the temple altar
of Jehovahs temple inside the city - Jehovah did not want his blood!

He was killed outside Jerusalem. The executioners were not priests but soldiers, that was no jewish cult.
not a fulfilment of any religious ritual! Thus Paul concluded in his writings that Jesus himself was the Highpriest and
he himself came to God in heaven. (that was an interpreation)

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Jesus had to die? Really?

by punkofnice in

i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.

couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.

i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.

TheWonderofYou

"Sovereignty", "Universal Sovereignty", "Total Sovereignty" "Allmighty" sound like very cool and heartless. Would be interesting how we came to
all these overfreighted words. What the monotheistic religions from the antice world until today implicated with that technical term.

Incontrary we have the Bibel with the sermon of the mountains where Jesus tells us about God about his love:

Jesus says God is the only who loves us like in the sermon of the mountains,

we are beloved,save and retrieved in God, healed by God, have an eternal homeland with God, this was the gospel of Jesus.
A new picture of God for many at that time : A God who loves his enemies, who waits not controlls us.

Jesus speaks of a law not of a controlling sticklers for the letter of the law but, love does not repay
an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth (very adequate, just and rightous)
but instead the law of love is: love your enemies like I love my enemies.

God is lookinf for the love of his enemies (Matthew 5,46 and 26,25) and thus God is a soverein not a tyrann, a loving sovereign who says: "Blessed are those who make peace" (Matthew 5,9).

Love is the heart of christianity. Love is the center of all.

-Bible says who loves is a friend of god, god takes home in this person. Bible teaches
who finds mercy and love will find God.

- undeserved love (John 13,34) this is Gods attribute, people like Jesus because they felt that we was speaking with poor, ill, excommunicated people,
which had problems with the Jewish society, even with enemiies of the faith,
Jesus taught love without reserve and selflessness, a love like a mother has to its child.
Pain and Evil will not be solved with justification, legislation but trough love.

So and not otherwise we have to understand christian love and Gods Universal Merciful Sovereignty.

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Jesus had to die? Really?

by punkofnice in

i admit i no longer believe in god and holy books.. thinking of the made up 'universal sovereignty' thing, surely if god existed in the way the holy books describe him then he could have thought of something better than humankind suffering thousands of years and the slaughter of jesus?.

couldn't god have said: 'well, satan is a very naughty boy but you all know how great i am so we can end it now.

i will lovingly kill satan and his mates and that's that.

TheWonderofYou

Punk of nice, hello. You are coming up with a question which has bothered me too.

I think that mediation about the self-sacrificing, devotional and humble service of Jesus himself can be one of the answers to this puzzyfool question.

First, Jesus would have certainly laughed about the Jehovas witnesses arguing, that Adam or Satan could ever offend Gods sovereinty. Even if he had known this JW concept, he would never have preached about that stuff or admitted his valuable time to contradict that.

to be continued..

Hello, friends of the Truth

by TheWonderofYou in

i tried to make a sort of "theocratical" profil of me to introduce myself on this board.. thanks to weebly.

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wonderofyou.weebly.com.

TheWonderofYou

I tried to make a sort of "theocratical" profil of me to introduce myself on this board.

Thanks to Weebly.

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Watchtower leaders imprisoned! Details prove fascinating...

by Terry in

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TheWonderofYou

Hello,

I read the passages which say that Rutherfords and Russels say, that they were not against military service in general

and that WT always tried to fulfill the "cecar's" duties, but i dont understand exactly why they were imprisoned, was

it the behaviour of Rutherford, his public talkings or was it the books or the magazines which could not be altered anymore?

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The real reason allegations of child abuse among JW's are not reported

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

this is my opinion, i don't have official quotes or official instructions to back this up.

what i have is real life experience of having been an elder that was involved in investigating an allegation of child abuse, why we didn't report, why we didn't encourage the parents to report.. its simple really, the main reason elders don't report is concern that they may lose their position in the congregation.

if you in any way "run ahead" of the society, you will be perceived as proud and arrogant and will be deleted!

TheWonderofYou

jeremiah18:5-10 elder: you gave a realistic view of the reality, the daily life, in a not easy business. Yes,It sounds like it would be a business not

a shepherding. a business with low-level and top-level functionaries who have to function as functionaries more than as discreet slave with human balanced views and love. Is this religion as functionary's hell, where all funcitionaries, the grey men with the proclaimers pockets will end and eternally suffer?

HayDay: gives a philosophy which is very logical. But I dont't funcion always logical. I am wonder and wonders are often surprising. Torah, Jesus and Koran the 3 monotheistisch religions have an other standpoint, they don't teach really that man from beginning is evil. But principially i believe in the wonder that Jesus died for us and that he cares for us is, is with us all the time. It is an other form of slavery, where God made himself a slave for us, to show that

god is only love and mercy and nothing else. There are so many interesting thoughts in your comment, sorry for today i dont have more time to comment.

In love The wonder of you.

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The real reason allegations of child abuse among JW's are not reported

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

this is my opinion, i don't have official quotes or official instructions to back this up.

what i have is real life experience of having been an elder that was involved in investigating an allegation of child abuse, why we didn't report, why we didn't encourage the parents to report.. its simple really, the main reason elders don't report is concern that they may lose their position in the congregation.

if you in any way "run ahead" of the society, you will be perceived as proud and arrogant and will be deleted!

TheWonderofYou

so is the moral courage hindered by fear of man and consequences, thats human. But does nobody think of the fears of the victims

and how they do suffer?

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Is the Watchtower Society a Doomsday Cult?

by God_Delusion in

howdy guys and gals!.

do the jehovah's witnesses belong to a doomsday cult?

i wrote this article which asks the question.

TheWonderofYou

Friends,

this is a very serious matter as you know. Children shouldn' be afraid of Armageddon, nor of the doomsday anymore.

I pray for it.

Little drama:

Caleb afraid of Boomsday.

Caleb: „Doom, Boom, boom. Kawumm.“om: „Caleb, what are you doing now?“

Caleb: „A friend gave me this magazine. [g 12/9] And the picture ist so freightening.“

Mom: „Do you know which magazine this is, Caleb? It is Awake, Awake is magic and fantastic. You should never read these magazines any more, or should you look at it, because they are dangerous for your mind, arenn't they?“

Caleb: „But the beautiful comics Mom hmmm.“

Mom serious: „Caleb.“

Caleb: „What is a Boomsday?“

Mom: „Doomsday Caleb, you are not kidding about very serious matters, are you?“

Caleb: „No mom“.

Mom: „Do you remember how our God thinks about fantastic magazines that are freightening?“

Caleb: „We should throw it away or burn it“.

Mom: "Very good answer Caleb, Our loving God will be happy if you destroy everything

that propagates a false bad image of him. You'r really smart boy."

To be continued.

Additional info: As Awake 12/9 observes, the theologians !!! are really the worst sort of people: they don't stop debating endlessly these things! Awake never freightens someone, it gives hope! People have been shocked for decades about their theological interpretations about the great tribulation, armageddon and the millenium. [theologican dont speak much about such JW matters in reality!. Also theologic terms dont appear as if in the bible there would be no discussion about hell, eternal jugdment, because JW dont understand these matters] Theologians freightened the whole world with their misleading interpretations of the bible, according to awake. Only Awake always made clear that their will be no end of the world and a paradise. Our little planet earth will never be destroyed. The doomsday is mostly fantasy. BUT Awake has so to cover Doomsday and Watchtower has to cover Armageddon:because the public false meaning about these matters must be corrected. Wt and g dont speculate about armageddon they only must "biblical correct" the matter, because these words appear in the bible and have a special hopeful meaning. And someone must interprete it right. bla bla bla

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Sparlock video given major coverage in regional newspaper covering convention

by InquiryMan in

the major convention in norway has just been concluded and the regional newspaper covering the area published an article, incl.

a link to the video, lesson 2, of the sparlock video.. this is a rough translation through google transalte:.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=utf-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3a%2f%2fh-a.no%2fnyheter%2fnyheter%2ftabid%2f72%2farticleview%2ftrue%2fmoduleid%2f168356%2fdefault.aspx.

TheWonderofYou

Dear friends,

let us pray that there will be more and more discusssion about obedience.