The Bible flat out says 144000 brought from earth.
It also "flat-out" says that the Great Crowd is in heaven. It also "flat-out" says that there is one resurrection, one to a spiritual body. So how do you reconcile this?
Sanchy
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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What you are saying about them being spiritual creatures but not angels...what religion teaches this? It seems like you made it up
..really? I'd say the majority, if not all mainstream Christian religions teach that when one dies they resurrect as spiritual beings to live in a spiritual realm.
I myself am not trying to teach anything. I'm only demonstrating how WT theology is incorrect in many respects.
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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Also Sanchy we don't believe in two resurrections just one on earth.
This is not correct A Believer. According to WT, there is a "heavenly resurrection" for the 144k, and then there is the billions that will physically resurrect into paradise Earth..
Click below and go to "Heavenly Resurrection" cat and then "Earthly Resurrection"
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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Sanchy
and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God's children, since they are children of the resurrection.
Interestingly, WT also teaches that the resurrected CAN INDEED die. They teach that any resurrected that does NOT pass the 1000 year test will be destroyed, therefore you have proven WT wrong, even with your interpretation of Luke 20:36
A Believer, the more fitting interpretation is that the resurrected are spiritual beings living in a spiritual heavenly setting, (again read 1 Cor 15) and they are NOT angels.
Maybe the WT does have it wrong about who the term great crowd is being referred to in this scripture.
They are wrong about this and many other things. The problem is that JWs are not allowed to question this or any other obviously flawed doctrine. If they do, they risk being DF as apostates.
There is much else WT is wrong on. Just seek online and you'll find. Excellent place to start: jwfacts.com
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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No one is arguing what the bible teaches about the Earth. There is much debate as to this matter, and it's up to the interpretation of any that wants to take a stab at it, you'll find much such debate online. The main point is that WT is dogmatic about certain teachings that are biblicly baseless:
-The Great Crowd is in heaven, not on earth as WT teaches
-Where WT teaches that there are 2 types of resurrections with the biggest one being a physical one here on Earth, the bible instead teaches only 1 resurrection hope, that is that they resurrect into a spiritual body where they live as "angels in heaven" (Luke 20:36)
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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No, apparently you don't fully understand the doctrine A Believer. I urge you to research it in JW literature.
The WT teaches these are two completely different group, with two completely different hopes. The 144k according to WT are the ONLY ones that go to heaven after death, where they will rule as kings over the Earth. The Great Crows on the other hand are JWs alive today with an Earthly hope. They will survive Armageddon and live on paradise Earth forever (so long as they survive the final test after the first 1000 years) This is where the error lies. The bible clearly shows that the Great Crowd is in heaven, thus ripping to shreds this silly WT doctrine.
You can find more info here:
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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Regarding the resurrection, the bible nowhere speaks of a physical resurrection on Earth, as WT teaches. If you read 1 Cor 15 you'll find that the resurrection the bible teaches of is spiritual one, in other words, a resurrection to a spiritual body and thus to a heavenly location. This is in line with how Jesus described the Resurrection as well (Read Luke 20:36)
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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A Believer, now I believe you are indeed truthful when you claim you only recently took up researching JW doctrine.
Reason I say this is that its basic WT doctrine that all JWs know. The JW teaching regarding the Great crowd is that they are those that associate with the WT (otherwise known as JWs) that survive Armageddon and live in paradise Earth (btw, the term "paradise earth" never appears in scripture anywhere).
The fact that you automatically assumed the Great Crowd was indeed in heaven should point to you that it is an easy doctrine to reason from Scripture. Yet, the WT still teaches something contrary to this easy reasoning.
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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Perhaps A Believer, no one can say dogmatically the Great Crowd is this group or the other because the bible is not clear regarding that matter. I would argue tho that there is more evidence pointing to them being in heaven, "before the throne", rather than them being on Earth like WT teaches.
Another WT doctrine I found to be inccorect: It teaches there are two types of resurrection. One spiritual for the 144k and the other much larger physical resurrection on Earth. What does the Bible really teach regarding this matter? I invite you to read 1 Cor 15th, the entire chapter, then you tell me how the Bible describes the resurrection.
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Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?
by minimus ini bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
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Wait, A Believer, nowhere does it say that ONLY the 144k go to heaven.. and what happens to the Earth is besides the point I'm telling you to research.
The question is: Where is the Great Crowd located. Read Rev 7 and 19:1 and then ask yourself if the WT is correct regarding this point or not.