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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  Six,
  
  Hey, us westerners are allowed a little hyperbole now and then, right? :)
  
  The difference is that with Arabs Muslims hyperbole, called mubalagha, is the norm. In fact an Arab man would probably not be taken seriously if he were to state something mater-of-factly without blatant exageration. It's quite a fascinating cultural quirk.
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  Realist,
  
  The reason I say the chances are that you would react that way is because the majority of the Palestinians are not commiting these acts - otherwise they would be decimating themselves. These are religious wackos doing this and there is no excuse for them.
  
  According to the IDF:
  
  # Since the beginning of the violence in 2000, 29 suicide attacks were carried out by youth under the age of 18.
  # Since May 2001, 22 shootings attacks and attacks using explosive devices were carried out by youth under the age of 18.
  # Since the beginning of 2001, more than 40 youth under the age of 18 were involved in attempted suicide bombings that were thwarted (of them, three during 2004).
  
  Though you may dispute the figures since they come from the IDF, the point is that these terror groups are influencing impressionable minds. The people blowing up busses are not necessarily people who lost their land and children to Israeli forces. This is not a noble cause or a justifiable reaction to being oppressed.
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  >> what is not? what other way of retaliation do they have? and usually its adults not children who blow themselfs up (have you a link that shows how many kids were used...ad hoc i cannot recall such an incident).
  
  They can go after legitimate millitary targets like civilized and moral people have been doing for ages. There was a recent incident where a retarded child was caught with a suicide belt at a checkpoint. It was pretty clear he didn't really know what he was doing.
  
  >> no question they are fanatics....but the question is what made them fanatics? imo its lack of education, poverty, mistreatment, killing and destruction together with a corrupt leadership.
  
  No, people in these situations have managed to act morally. I believe it is their radical Islamic religion and hate of the Jews that drives this. Did the Jews blow up European civillians randomly when they were oppressed. Are the Jews just better people than the Palestinians? I don't think so.
  
  >> if i loose everything (as the poeple in the refugee camps in gaza) and experience mistreatment on a daily basis than i don't know how i would react.
  
  Chances are you would act humanly... only if you were brainwashed into thinking the enemy (infidel) was sub-human and not fit to live on earth would you go to such extremes. And even then, hopefully you wouldn't recruit a retarded boy to do your killing like a sick coward.
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  French,
  
  Perhaps you are not understanding my point. People don't just strap bombs to themselves and kill innocent people because their land was stolen and their family were killed. They are doing this because they are being recruited by hateful, anti-semetic religious zealots.
  
  Probably the majority of the people strapping bombs to themselves have not been directly impacted in that manner. In fact, it was shown that the terrorist groups actually recruited a mentally retarded boy.
  
  Sure I could see this happening once or twice a decade if the terrorist groups weren't brainwashing the people. The people heading these groups need to be destroyed.
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  >> problem is this is their only way to retaliate. last week they blew up a couple of israeli soldiers. but without decent weapons this is very difficult to do.
  
  No it's not - that's a load of shit. The average Palestinian is not doing this. These are deranged religious zealots. They recruit kids and mentally challenged people to do their dirtywork. Sick.
  
  The Palestinian Authority should just declare war on Israel if conditions are so bad... oh yeah, it's not the Palistinian Authority doing this so I guess things aren't really that bad (though they turn a blind eye, can't control it, and even encourage it). These are irrational people blinded by religious hatred - there is no excuse for their sick actions.
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  Realist,
  
  I agree that is understandable that they retaliate - just not the way they (terrorist groups - not the average Palistinians) do. Targetting innocent civilians should never be understandable. I can understand collateral damage, and if that was what was happening I wouldn't have any bone to pick with the Palistinian terrorist groups. (Note I don't have a problem with the average Palistinian on the street)
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  >> the israelis are not a shred better than the palestinians!
  
  Did you mean: "The Israeli army is not a shred better than the palestinian terrorist groups"?
  
  I believe they are because if the power was reversed you would see the outright genocide of Jews on a massive scale.
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  Realist,
  
  Even if I were to agree with you that the allies used terror, then I still fail to see your point. There is still no moral equivelancy between stealing land and targetting innocent civillians. Just because the Allies (and the Germans) allegedly did it a half century ago doesn't excuse the modern terrorists.
  
  I still believe your points against the Allies are debatable. Even with the German V-2 rockets they were *trying* to figure out how to control the damn things so they would hit valid targets. So, though terror was an real aspect of the weapon, it was not ultimately its final goal. The difference with the terrorist groups is that their intent is not even debatable - their intent is to terrorize civillians and they admit it.
  
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  Wasn't Saddam ousted for doing precisely this sort of thing?

  by Simon in

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  utterly disgusting.

  those responsible should be lined against a wall and shot.

  publicly.. i think that would win more hearts and minds than bombing cities and using gunships on civilian areas.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/.

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  Realist,
  
  Bombs were expensive. There was no reason to risk the lives of pilots and waste ordinance when there was no military target. I think you are way oversimplifying a situation.
  
  If terrorists were trying to assasinate Israeli leaders and inocents got caught in the cross fire, I would see that as collateral damage and they would no longer be called terrorists. The fact is that they target civillians specifically. That's why they are called terrorists.
  
  If the allies did waste their resources during some raids on some simply vengeful missions, then those were terrorist acts and should not be defended.
  
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  Nicholas Berg's Beheading

  by Elmer J. Fudd in

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  i downloaded the beheading of nicholas berg and watched the video over and over.

  my opinion is that the video was edited to the max and berg was already dead when they cut his head off.

  no blood, no convulsions.

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  >> But as Noam Chomsky points out, laughing off people who ask questions as conspiracy theorists is just another way of suppressing legitimate inquiry and democratic debate.
  
  That's why I laugh at Noam Chomsky. He's a good scientist, though. :)
  
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