Usually if you let them know you plan to have your lawyer present and they believe you are serious they drop the meeting altogether and leave you alone.
They don't want to have JC meetings with a person who has legal representation.
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Taking my Lawyer to a Judicial Committee.
by kpax indoes anyone know if i can take my lawyer to a judicial committee?.
would be fun!.
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Phone Call From My Mother!
by Ranchette inthe last time i spoke with my mom was the middle of october.
i called her that time.. many of you are familiar with the relationship problems ive had with my parents since i quit going to meetings almost a year ago.
for those of you who arent familiar with the situation, you can do a search by clicking on the paper icon under my name to read up on whats been going on.. anyway things were getting worse and worse and nothing good was coming from our discussions or letters.. since i was the one who called her last, i decided to see how long it would take for my parents to get a hold of me the next time.. my mom even told me in the past that she wanted to limit her association with me.
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LDH,
I appreciate your comments and I understand what you are saying but I really don't feel like I am playing any games here.
I am just being me.I am being true to my personality.
I have never been a controversial in your face kind of person.I don't think there's anything wrong with that approach
It is just not my manner,although I have surprised my self a couple of times.My husband tries to get me to be more like you are saying and I always tell him "that's just not me."
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CLEAN HOMES,YARDS,AND CARS
by Ranchette inremember how we were taught that if we kept our homes, yards and cars clean it would bring honor to jehovah and serve as a witness to our neighbors?.
we really thought people would look at our freshly mowed lawn and they would think, "those people must represent the true god jehovah?".
those people never connected god to any of those things!.
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Remember how we were taught that if we kept our homes, yards and cars clean it would bring honor to Jehovah and serve as a witness to our neighbors?
We really thought people would look at our freshly mowed lawn and they would think, "Those people must represent the true God Jehovah?"
Those people never connected God to any of those things!
What a dilusional world we lived in!They thought we kept up our property for the same reasons anyone else does these things.
Thats what people who are responsible citizens in society do.And what did we think when we saw Worldly peoples homes, yards and cars well taken care of?
Did we think they represented God?
NO!
We thought they were competing with their neighbors or they were materialisticI went outside the other day and it was just beautiful.
My neighbor’s yards looked so nice and I was reminded of these things.Thought I would share them with you.
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do you try to re-build Childhood memorys????
by lydia inwith so many having been raised in the truuf.... do any of you now feel that due to the abuse and horros of being raised that way that you now need to work at building positive memories of things..like christmas??.
do others accuse you of going overboard with the holiday celebrations??.
do you look for opportunitys to have a party??.
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My answer is Yes to all of your questions.
I am enjoying building these new memories and I really don't mind if others think I am going overboard.
I just tell them I have a lifetime of making up to do and I am enjoying my freedom.
They all seem to understand this.
I may balance out someday and then again maybe I won't.
As long as I'm happy,who cares right?Ranchette
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Phone Call From My Mother!
by Ranchette inthe last time i spoke with my mom was the middle of october.
i called her that time.. many of you are familiar with the relationship problems ive had with my parents since i quit going to meetings almost a year ago.
for those of you who arent familiar with the situation, you can do a search by clicking on the paper icon under my name to read up on whats been going on.. anyway things were getting worse and worse and nothing good was coming from our discussions or letters.. since i was the one who called her last, i decided to see how long it would take for my parents to get a hold of me the next time.. my mom even told me in the past that she wanted to limit her association with me.
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Everyone,
Thank you all for your comments; they are very much appreciated.Marilyn suggested,
Firstly why don't you ask your mother why she trying to to pretend that all is well between you and her, to her parents?
I did consider asking her this question but I realized that her and I both know the answer. Therefore I didn’t think it would really accomplish anything.
I know that the reason she called is because she wants to be able to continue her dishonest game with her parents and she wants to try to bully me into cooperating.
My telling the truth makes her look bad.In a nice way I let her know that all I have done is tell the truth and I never once agreed to play her little games.
She left the conversation defeated because she did not get what he wanted.
She knows the real truth about how Jws treat their family who leave the organization is completely unacceptable to everyone but JWs.Latte said,
ask her just what contributed to such a distant relationship with her parents if it wasn't the fact you were all JW's?
The thought did cross my mind but once again I realized we both knew the answer to this one too.
But I just wasn’t in the mood for a major confrontation that would do nothing but cause bad feelings for us both.
We both know that being JWs had everything to do with the distant relationshipCornish,
Lol ,you addressed me
Hello Raunchette
I have been called this before but I think this was a type –o this time?
Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that I think your money-inheritance theory is sometimes true.
I think in this case though my mom is more concerned with the way she and her religion look to her parents.Ashi,
You asked me,Question, though. Do you think your mom would be as angry, mean, etc, a person if she wasn't a witty?
Yes, she probably would. These personality traits such are already there without the Jws.
Any religion would magnify these traits and make it worse I think.Julie,
You said,I know what it is like to realize ugly truths about your own mother. I well know the pain of realizing you are better off in your life without your mother. I guess the pain that will never go away is that it is curable and was unnecessary for us all to go through.
Thank you for your comments and experience.
It looks to me like we have a lot of company with similar experiences. I wish this was not so because I would not wish this on anyone.Slip,
I identify with every thing you say but just remember you are ruining NOTHING.
Our parents are ruining it for themselves and then trying to blame us!In summary, I just want to say that many of you have encouraged me to develop my relationship with my grandparents and tell them what’s really going on.
I want you to know that is exactly what I plan to do.
They are hearing two different versions and they know someone’s not being honest here.
I already planned to tell them all about this.I am glad to know I am not alone in this but am sad about this fact too.
Thanks again everyone.
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Phone Call From My Mother!
by Ranchette inthe last time i spoke with my mom was the middle of october.
i called her that time.. many of you are familiar with the relationship problems ive had with my parents since i quit going to meetings almost a year ago.
for those of you who arent familiar with the situation, you can do a search by clicking on the paper icon under my name to read up on whats been going on.. anyway things were getting worse and worse and nothing good was coming from our discussions or letters.. since i was the one who called her last, i decided to see how long it would take for my parents to get a hold of me the next time.. my mom even told me in the past that she wanted to limit her association with me.
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The last time I spoke with my mom was the middle of October.
I called her that time.Many of you are familiar with the relationship problems I’ve had with my parents since I quit going to meetings almost a year ago. For those of you who aren’t familiar with the situation, you can do a search by clicking on the paper icon under my name to read up on what’s been going on.
Anyway things were getting worse and worse and nothing good was coming from our discussions or letters.
Since I was the one who called her last, I decided to see how long it would take for my parents to get a hold of me the next time.
My mom even told me in the past that she wanted to limit her association with me. I am not DF’d or Da’d.
Months pass and I finally get a message on my machine last night from my mother.
So I returned her call and we just chatted and I caught her up on her grandchildren.
She told me that she had something to discuss with me before she let me talk to my father.
She said, “I want to know how my parents got the idea that we have had a falling out?She took me by surprise since the rest of the conversation had been so non- controversial.
Anyway, I said, “I don’t know what you are talking about, I have never told my grandparents that we have had a falling out!
(A little background for you, my grandparents are not JWs and have never been favorable.)
My mother then said, “are you sure you haven’t said ANYTHING that would cause them to think we had a falling out?”
I said, “mom, every time I speak to or write my grandparent they want to know when the last time was that I have heard from you. They also know I no longer attend meetings and that you are very disappointed that I have chosen to reject the way you brought me up.
They know we aren’t as close as we used to be.”She said, “ I know you believe this is a cult but I don’t care what you believe, they are MY parents and I want you to leave them out of this!”
My mother is not a reasonable person and I did feel like fighting so I just said, “I would never purposely say anything that would cause problems in your relationship with your parents, besides they already have their opinions about the witnesses anyway.”
She then proceeded to say this,
“ I want you to know that all those years you were growing up and you weren’t able to be close to your grandparents and you didn’t get to see them very much had ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO DO WITH US BEING JEHOVAHS WITNESSES! DO YOU UNDERSTAND? NOTHING WHATSOEVER!!”I ignored that statement because I didn’t know what to say because that was the biggest lie I have ever heard!
I just said, “Mom you know we aren’t as close as we used to be there’s no denying that.”We are just about to end our conversation when I say “ you told me that under the circumstances it would be best if we don’t have close contact and I think that is a good idea because I don’t want to cause you stress.”
She then says, “I completely agree.”
So she doesn’t want to have much to do with me even though we used to be very close.
I will not lie to my grandparents about the nature of my relationship with my parents like she wants me too!!
What a hypocrite!!She's just upset because she has been being dishonest and misleading her parents while I tell them how it really is.
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Norwegian fjords
by Okidok inwant to show one of my painting.
it is from a fjord called hardangerfjord.
nice here?
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edited due to a double posting.
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Norwegian fjords
by Okidok inwant to show one of my painting.
it is from a fjord called hardangerfjord.
nice here?
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This is a beautiful painting of a place I wouldn't mind seeing in real life some day.
Even though I have never been there,I think Norway is a beautiful country from the photos I have seen.
We also have beautiful places here in the USA.I wonder what the equlivant word for fjord is in english?
Cove? Shore? Crossing? Island? I'm just guessing.Ranchette
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Where is the Truth???????
by BC ini studied with the jws for a number of years and i found that on your doorstep they were the friendliest people in the world, but the firsrt time i stepped into the kh, with the exception of a few they didn't want to know!!!!!!!!!
i sat on a chair alone for the whole of most meetings, sometimes i even had a whole row to myself.. i then began to realise that i was only a statistic on a monthly report card.
in other words if someone was pioneering or it was raining they only had to come and see me to make their hours up.. question the blood issue and they will walk past your house with their heads down and push your magazines through the letter box when they know you are out to avoid seeing you.. i love my family, but according to the jws my lovely husband, my children and my grandaughter who i love more than life itself have no chance in the new system.
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The Truth is that there is no "Truth".
What I mean is that there is NO religion on this earth that has a monopoly on truth.
Once you accept this you can relax and truly enjoy life for the first time ever.
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Hacking
by Kent inunfortunately, i can't post the material.
try http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?site=wo&date=20020125&category=news&artno=201250004&ref=ar.
yachyd da.
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Kent,
I am no expert but I do know this much.Absolutely no one but a JW would care a flip where those KMs are coming from or any of the other info on your site!
Looks like a JW is trying to put a stop to these KMs getting into your hands by getting proof and turning these people in.
It would be interesting to find out if it is just a tattletale or something more sinister coming from WT headquarters instructions.
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