Danni-great job!
I had the JW's come to my door today and I froze. I totally forgot all the questions and issues I wanted answered and ended up asking about "women in subjection" and birth control.
You really have guts!
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The meeting did not go well.
by Danni init would have taken more much more time to tell it all.
he told us the meeting would began as soon as the other brothers arrived.
danni: i will give you two.
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AAHH!!! The Witnesses Just Came to My Door!
by teenyuck inoh my god!!!
i am sitting here in my den, monday morning, at 10:30 am, est, when i notice a van pull up into the court i live on.
out climb two neatly dressed women, one older, one young.
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Well, now I know--LOL. If they show up again I will probably go under the desk again, assuming I am home! I e-mailed a neighbor who works out of the house and she said no knocks on her door this morning. My mother may have sic'd them on me!
I thought of one more thing I asked them. I was pretty excited as I typed the initial post and could not remember what the other issue was. I remembered as I took my "Pill."
I asked about birth control. "What is the Witnesses postion on birth control?"
Vivian (the older one) stated that birth control is fine as long as it is not abortive. Or abortion.
I was surprised. I took for granted that "go forth and multiply" was the current thinking. However, there were very few JW's with lots of kids. All the families I knew with more than 2 or 3 kids, were catholic!
I have my list now, however, so if they do come back I can take a deep breath and start my debate!
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The timewaster's guide to field service
by RunningMan inlast week, i posted evidence of the monumental inefficiency of the field service work.
you might be wondering how it is possible for people to put in so many hours, and produce so few results.
well, the answer is really quite simple.
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LOL!
I live in a suburban area. I am one of two or three people at home during the day.
Today, a van load of witnesses pulled up. This proves the ineffiency. They know that there is no one home. They got lucky that I answered the door; after climbing out from under the desk!
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X-JW FEMALE CIVILITY=X-JW FEMALE SUBJECTION?
by GoldDustWoman ingreetings gentle posters,.
i have been inspired to write this by the following quotes from various posters on a thread started by amnesian titled the ex-[elders] files: eyes wide shut.. the following was quoted by amnesian from various responses to a thread started by amazing titled: ex-jw women, your side.. thanks for asking!...thank you amazing for asking that question...just my 2 cents.
thanks for letting me share...amazing, this is a great topic!...amazing, great idea...thanks for starting this thread amazing...what an excellent topic.
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I just got to this thread...I had to deal with the witnesses at my door!
I brought up the "women in subjection" issue to the two women who came to my door this morning. They gave me JW babble. I zoned out. I was also civil. As I noted in my thread, I wanted to scream at them. Then I realized that would not accomplish much. I decided to bite my lip.
I do not feel that I fell down. I knew it was a losing battle with two JW women.
This is one of the sorest points for me. My mother on one hand will let an elder ride rough shod over her and on the other hand, if it is anyone else, she is a fire ball. I got conflicting signals growing up.
Anyway, I do not believe being civil equates to being in subjection.
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All say it with me:"Shake the shackles off...
by BritBoy init seems to me that this board of late is on fire!!
almost every post has little fires burning outside it.
what is going on, volatile posts and replies?
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teenyuck
I agree with both of you! I am very glad this board is here. I love reading others debates and issues.
BTW, my name is Tina!
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AAHH!!! The Witnesses Just Came to My Door!
by teenyuck inoh my god!!!
i am sitting here in my den, monday morning, at 10:30 am, est, when i notice a van pull up into the court i live on.
out climb two neatly dressed women, one older, one young.
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Thanks guys!
Since joinging the board I have avidly read all the posts I could. I learned alot and have tried to point out some of the more senseless JW teachings to my mother. I was hoping for the day a JW came to my door so I could take all I had read and learned and throw it in their face.
Then, when the opportunity came, I froze! I completely forgot all the things I wanted to say. My emotions rose up and I was shaking. I cannot believe I dove under the desk!
An hour later, I feel much better. I decided to print out the things that will help me next time and keep them handy...in case those bros come back!
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How do you feel about the people who converted you
by sleepy inhow do you feel about the people who helped convert you into a jehovahs witness?.
are you angery toward them or do you view it as more your fault?.
did they pester you and persist in calling , was it politeness that made you speak to them?.
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I gusess I need therapy.
I was 4 when my mother started studying and 5 when she got baptized. I am angry at her for joining the JW's and getting all of her sisters involved.
It created a group of disfunctional (they were anyway, now more so) people looking for reasons to shun someone else. It seemed to give their self-esteem a rise. They could point out how bad someone was and be smug and happy that armageddon was coming in 1975 and they would be in paradise.
I remain angry at my mother because she will not listen to reason.
My childhood was robbed. No more birthdays, Xmas, Girl Scouts, etc. Every friend suddenly was a "bad association." That spelled social death. There were no witness kids at our grade school in Chicago. My sister and I had no friends.
The woman who came to our door, Vivian Sabo, was very nice. That does not make it any better, however.
I am still mad.
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AAHH!!! The Witnesses Just Came to My Door!
by teenyuck inoh my god!!!
i am sitting here in my den, monday morning, at 10:30 am, est, when i notice a van pull up into the court i live on.
out climb two neatly dressed women, one older, one young.
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OH MY GOD!!! (Not that I believe in one!
I am sitting here in my den, Monday morning, at 10:30 am, EST, when I notice a van pull up into the court I live on. Out climb two neatly dressed women, one older, one young.
I notice them walking up my driveway, carrying what look to be books under their arms, with book bags hanging.
I dive under the desk, after turning off the TV. I just know they must be JW's.
Then I think, "What the Fuxk?! I am an adult, I have been out for 18 years. Why not answer the door"?
I gingerly climb out from under the desk as the door bell rings. I am still in my pajamas.
I answer the door and say "Yes?"
"Hello, I am Vivian, this is Kara. Have you wondered why the world is so bad and when all men on earth will be equal? Do you ever see a time when all men on earth will be equal"?
I said "NO."
Vivian- "Well, let me show you a scripture from Job." She read a scripture from Job, I have no idea which one. I was too nervous to pay attention. (I think I have ADD-seriously)
She then said she was a minister with the Jehovah's Witnesses.
"Did I know them?""Yes", I said, "I did".
Well, let me show you the latest issues of The Watchtower and The Awake magazines. She pulled them out and The Awake is a picture of the WTC, with the words, "Courage in the face of Disaster", "The Day the Twin Towers Collapsed."
The Awake shows a picture of a child and the words "Will all men Ever be Equal?"
I almost fell over. I have not seen these mags in a long time.
She handed them to me. I took them, so I could have proof I did not dream this.
I said "I have an issue with the way Witnesses treat women. Women being in subjection is ridiculous. Will all people be equal in paradise, after armageddon? Why cannot women lead a meeting or a public talk?"
I think she realized I had some knowledge of the JW's so she and Kara start to tell me that Jehovah sees all women as equal to men. She further tells me that she can lead a book study or meeting if no man is present, as long as she puts on a head covering.
Kara chimed in that women are a compliment to men and that since there needs to be a leader in the home, it should be a man, if one is present.
I was biting my lip. I wanted to scream and yell at them that those ideas and principals are one of the reasons my parents divorced. I wanted to yell at Kara and ask why she was not at work or in college.
I wanted to yell a lot of things at them. Then I realized they would probably try to figure out who I was and where I was from. Then DF me.
I took the cowardly way out and said nothing. I just nodded slightly.
When Vivian asked me if I wanted her to drop off the next issues of the mags, I said no thanks. Same to a call back.
The weirdest thing is that the woman who called on my mother the first time, was named Vivian. She got my mother thinking about all those witness things my mother heard from her grand-father (the annointed one) over the years.
I just opened The Awake mag. The main article is on the WTC disaster. The next one is on Champagne. Where it comes from, how it is made, etc. Then an article on New Years Eve. It is a pagen ritual, so don't do it. Have the Champagne, just don't celebrate.
I had to share. I have not had a witness call in about 6 years. My husband answered last time and just said "NO!"
My heart raced for the 20 minutes it took to type this. Every time I hear a door outside, I look.
I am traumatized! Will they call back anyway, because I took the mags? Opinions would be appreciated.
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Elders-Desire To Assist Others?
by Mister Biggs init is said of jw elders that they "can provide protection by listening attentively to his problem, offering bible-based counsel, and giving encouragement or practical help.
like their appointed king, christ jesus, they want to help those who have been 'thrown about.
' (matthew 9:36) and they desire to assist others who have been damaged by the winds of false teaching.
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In my experience the elders were more interested in what your beliefs were. They were also interested in hearing "confessions."
While some of them, none I encountered, might want to help and counsel someone, the fact is they have no training. Telling someone to love their wife and/or children is easy to say.
Priests and other clergy who are trying to assist someone usually have formal training of some kind-social work, psychology, etc. The lack of education really hampers the JW elders. They are expected to be marriage counselers, family counselers and psychoanalysts.
I found that the most they could do was pat you on the back and recite the WTBTS words. They can offer WTBTS advice on spiritual matters, however, many people come to them with every day problems of how to pay bills on time to a spouse who is possibly cheating.
The advice given my mother regarding this was devestating to our family. She assumed they knew what they were talking about because they were "elders." The implication being that, like a trained priest, they could counsel you on things other than spirituality.
"I used to be Snow White, then I drifted." Mae West
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Screen Name vs Character
by Amazing insince my character is part of the issues that have been addressed by several posters, i thought that i would clear this up:.
teejay said: conclusion: no more insulting than you when you mentioned that one has to wonder about someone who'd pick the screen name "amazing.".
i am not sure if teejay shares agreement with what he quoted, but for discussion sake, i will treat it as though he does.
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Amazing-I thought as Outnfree did on the reason you took your name.
I wish I could say the same. When I first came upon this board and started reading, I had no idea I would want to post. Being new to discussion boards and chat rooms, I thought using an e-mail name would be a good idea. Easy to remember.
I came up with my e-name because I have no creativity. I looked around the room and saw a box of kleenex. Puffs brand. I always purchase Puffs. So...puffsrule.
BTW, I am glad you are back. It is great to read differing opinions and ideas. It makes one think.
"I used to be Snow White, then I drifted." Mae West