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DESTROYED !

by Derrick in

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the visiting co pointed out in his talk that "people who love to practice evil will be destroyed [very strong vocal emphasis on this word] !

" many of you insist he is referring to those whose only "sin" is not being a baptized jehovah's witness and their children.

after my experiences on the internet from ajwr to h2o to this forum, however, i'm beginning to appreciate that all is not "black" and "white" but many shades of gray, many hues of stunning colors, and a mixture.. why not use the words killed or executed to describe the fate of these evil people, i asked the co afterwards?

pseudoxristos

Wow, I'm so ashamed! I didn't realize how immoral I've become. That does it, I believe in God. Where's the collection box?

pseudo

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Debunking Evolution in 3 Steps the Know_You Way

by Know_You in

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part iii of the annual on the road again, down from the fountain (of truth) series.. - from half-moon bay california - .

owing to mechanical problems, mrs know_you and i have had to delay our plans for the day.

the missus kindly agreed to sit in the repair shop awaiting the re-emergence of our means of conveyance, which may take all day, while i have decided to sacrifice part of my vacation to address the subject of evolution.

pseudoxristos

Pure genius or sheer madness, its hard to tell.

pseudo

edited, because I can not seem to put 9 words together without making a mistake.

Edited by - pseudoxristos on 16 October 2002 21:34:21

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Does God Deceive Us?

by JosephAlward in

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the bible says that god's word can be trusted: "every word of god is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

(proverbs 30:5) but, the verses below suggests the opposite is true:.

"so now the lord has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours.

pseudoxristos

Sure he does. He also sends evil spirits to torture people. Usually early on Saturday mornings.

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And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armorbearer.
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And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favor in my sight.
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And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took the harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
1 Sam 16:21-23 (ASV)

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Monotheism, Your comments please

by pseudoxristos in

while discussing jw's concept of jesus as a god (in a yahoo group), the following was posted to define "monotheism".

i'm looking for comments or thoughts from everyone here before i post a my reply.. ...you asked for a definition of "monotheism" and/or "biblical .

monotheism" which would allow for the existence of multiple gods.

pseudoxristos

breeze,

You hit the nail on the head. The discussion there just goes in circles. Witnesses refuse to give a consise definition of the term "god". The following is one of my posts to them:

everyone,

I can't believe I'm getting into this discussion again. But, it just
seems to go on and on and on. Looking back at the messages, I'm
beginning to detect a pattern.

The JW concept of Jesus as a god seems very fluid. Objections are
meet with a slippery re-definition of the word god. When
Trinitarians object with the idea of only one true God, suddenly this
is justified in various ways, usually with the idea that there are
many gods (angels, authorities, etc...). Jesus is grouped with these
somewhat lesser gods to justify the existence of more than one god.
Although these are called gods, they are not really gods in the
strictest sense of the word. This gets around the multple god
problem.

Once this is established the discussion shifts to Jesus's nature as a
god. It is suggested that he is very much above the other gods,
second only to Jehovah. This makes Jesus a god while not the
Almighty God Jehovah.

Now that this is established, it can be used to justify that Jesus is
a god in every sense. He can even be worshiped as a god unlike the
worshipping of angels, although it is Jehovah that is truly deserving
of worship.

Now we are back to the one true God/multiple God problem.

The discussion will just continue in this circle until somebody gives
up.

pseudo

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Monotheism, Your comments please

by pseudoxristos in

while discussing jw's concept of jesus as a god (in a yahoo group), the following was posted to define "monotheism".

i'm looking for comments or thoughts from everyone here before i post a my reply.. ...you asked for a definition of "monotheism" and/or "biblical .

monotheism" which would allow for the existence of multiple gods.

pseudoxristos

I'm back after a little discussion with the Witnesses on the Yahoo Group.

JW's do not like to be called henotheist. Made for good discussion.

Thanks again,

pseudo

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Why we NEED the WATCHTOWER.

by refiners fire in

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the watchtower: october 15, 1953. article - "the watchtower, a bible study aid" .

brothers, i present it for your uplifting.

a little light sunday reading..... .

pseudoxristos

it is apparent that Since we assumes an should we The Watchtower to the Bible; found a liar." do need help to understand the true, though every Bible, why, of all the religious literature published, look to for this help? First of all, authority above because it adheres strictly And even as Jehovah invites it lets "God be found The Watchtower invites all traditions man be It is not restricted by for, a magisterium any creeds or It does not bow down to, nor does of men it claim to speak that assumes an and let us reason its readers: "Come now, his earthly creatures, so together."-Isa. 1:18, AS."......that of God's Word.

Opps, sorry my computer just threw up.

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Monotheism, Your comments please

by pseudoxristos in

while discussing jw's concept of jesus as a god (in a yahoo group), the following was posted to define "monotheism".

i'm looking for comments or thoughts from everyone here before i post a my reply.. ...you asked for a definition of "monotheism" and/or "biblical .

monotheism" which would allow for the existence of multiple gods.

pseudoxristos

Thanks all for your comments.

Lucid, thanks for the proper term for this belief.

pseudo

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Monotheism, Your comments please

by pseudoxristos in

while discussing jw's concept of jesus as a god (in a yahoo group), the following was posted to define "monotheism".

i'm looking for comments or thoughts from everyone here before i post a my reply.. ...you asked for a definition of "monotheism" and/or "biblical .

monotheism" which would allow for the existence of multiple gods.

pseudoxristos

gumby,

Well first of all the underlined statement is wrong. Monotheism is the belief of only one true God. I'm sure it was a typo.

My request for a definition of "monotheism" that allowed for the existence of multiple gods, was in response to another JW post that suggested that "biblical monothesism" was different from the typical meaning of "monotheism". I never expected a response that would attempt change the meaning of "monotheism". I had no idea that JW's even entertained such an idea. My understanding of the definition is much like yours, "one true God". I assumed that JW's defined "monotheism" the same way I do, therefore I'm here, looking for comments to formulate a response.

I'm also wondering if this is the typical JW definition?

pseudo

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Monotheism, Your comments please

by pseudoxristos in

while discussing jw's concept of jesus as a god (in a yahoo group), the following was posted to define "monotheism".

i'm looking for comments or thoughts from everyone here before i post a my reply.. ...you asked for a definition of "monotheism" and/or "biblical .

monotheism" which would allow for the existence of multiple gods.

pseudoxristos

Everyone,

While discussing JW's concept of Jesus as a god (in a yahoo group), the following was posted to define "monotheism". This is a new one on me. I'm looking for comments or thoughts from everyone here before I post a my reply.

...You asked for a definition of "monotheism" and/or "Biblical monotheism" which would allow for the existence of multiple gods.
After doing a significant amount of reading on this subject I would
like to propose the use of the following definition taken from Greg
Stafford's book entitled "Jehovah's Witnesses Defended" who writes:

"Biblical Monotheism involoves the recognition, acceptance and
worship of only one true, uni-personal God, the Father. Other beings
can and are rightly considered "gods" in a different, lesser (that
is, a positionally/functionally conferred and/or ontologically
derived) sense than the true God. This is true of them either
collectively or as individuals, so long as their position and glory
preserve or further enhance the uniqueness of God." (page 128)

Furthermore, Peter Hayman in his journal article entitled "Monotheism-
-A Misused Word in Jewish Studies?" made the following observation,
writing, "The pattern of Jewish beliefs about God remains
monarchistic throughtout. God is king of a heavenly court consisting
of many other powerful beings, not always under his control. For most
Jews, God is the sole object of worship, but he is not the only
divine being. In particular, there is always a prominent number two
in the hierarchy to whom Isreal in particular relates." -- Journal of
Jewish Studies, page 15.

I believe the above two cited quotations are sufficent enough to
provide a clear and concise definition of what "Biblical Monotheism"
means. However, if you disagree with the above referenced quoations,
then on what basis do you disagree? Lastly, how do you understand
Pslams 8:5 which LXX translators understood ELOHIM to a be reference
to angels with the use of the Greek term "angel/messenger(s)".

I look forward to your response.

Thanks,

pseudo

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Top 40 NYC Corporations WTBS #34

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pseudoxristos

Opps, this was already posted. see:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=37173&site=3

sorry,

pseudo