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  When "all" is not "everyone" or "everything."

  by Wonderment in

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  we keep seeing posters bringing col. 1.16 and john 1.3 up as proof that christ is excluded from the creative acts.

  the proof they submit is that the words "all things [gk., pánta]" appear in these texts.

  however, they are missing this important element from the discussion: the word "all" is rarely used in greek, and even in our everyday language to mean literally "everyone" or "everything" under the sky.

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  JoenB75

  Wonderment,

  1 Corinthians 15:27-28 only strengthens my basic point about all and context. Paul clearly understands all as all in this context, therefore he feels the need to point out it is evident that God is excluded from things to be subjected (or created). He is not saying it is also evident Adam, Nero, Mao, Hitler, apostates and all the other guys we don’t like are excluded too.

  I dont know why you speak of the Trinitarians? Trust me, Arius came later and was considered a worse threath 😊.

  Jesus is given all authority in heavens and earth (Matt 28:18) and is heir of all things despite the JW protest (Hebrews 1.2). God placed him “far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the age to come” (Ephesians 1:21). The mode of Yahweh / Jehovah has retired with the old covenant. He said goodbye long time ago. As Paul explains in Philippians 2:5-11, grasping the incarnation of God the Father is essential to our understanding. Jesus is God as man and while Jesus as man has a Father, Jesus is to be worshipped nonetheless. We are to call on Jesus like the old covenanters called on Yahweh, God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ are various revelations / modes (1 Corinthians 1:2-3). It is the Incarnate who would be exalted now. The Word, the reason and cause of all things, was made flesh, came to serve God and man and now is exalted above all. He is one with the Father as He is God the Father in flesh (John 10:30, 14:9).

  Where is the Arian Jesus in the Bible? In the old testament JWs may try to go for personified wisdom (Proverbs 8.23) or make the Creator “one of the chief princes” (Daniel 10:23). That is not how to speak of God the Father who emptied himself and became man to serve. Apart from his existence in flesh, the Son would be recognized as God and Father (Isaiah 9.6). The sum of the Word is truth (Psalm 119:160). So you must try to reconcile its teachings.
  
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  It's my birthday

  by Tameria2001 in

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  todays my birthday.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9gqijm2sue.

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  Happy birthday and God bless ☺️
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  Wt. April 2020 Revised Joel Prophecy

  by BluesBrother in

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  if this has been posted before, then my apologies..... article in april ‘20 wt changes the view of the locust swarm prophecy...formerly believed to describe the worldwide preaching by anointed.

  ”simply put, these verses refer, not to our zealous preaching work, but to the activity of the babylonian army that invaded jerusalem in 607 b.c.e.”.

  they also tie in the giving of holy spirit to the congregation at pentecost and thereafter.. the article is available to read in full on our least favourite website.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/an-attack-coming-from-the-north/.

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  JoenB75

  Silly guesswork
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  Animals as vegetarians thread continued

  by Crazyguy2 in

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  i found out just last night that back in 2015 scientists discovered a piece of amber estimated to be over 15 million years old.

  inside the amber was a flea, very similar to the size and kind that attack and eat our blood today.

  whats even more astonishing is in the mouth they found bacteria that has the same make up as bubonic plague.

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  Yet they groan due to the effects of sin
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  Latest news from The Netherlands: Jehovah's want to stop publication of critical report on abuse

  by Gorbatchov in

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  latest news in the netherlands press.

  jw.org doesn't understand that this will blow their image more and more.. jehovah's want to stop publication of critical report on abuse.

  jehovah's witnesses the netherlands wants to prevent the publication of a report on abuse within the community in summary proceedings.

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  Western Europe is haunted with low punishments when it comes rape and murder.
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  I.B.S.A. members were witnesses of Jesus Christ.-JW`s members are witnesses of Jehovah.

  by smiddy3 in

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  is there a difference ?

  i believe so ,and a very big difference.one that harmonises with the new testament in bearing witness to jesus and his kingdom and one that amounts to a new gospel bearing witness to jehovah and his kingdom something that is condemned in the bible.. c.t.russell started the magazine called "zions watchtower and herald of christs presence" and its emphasis was on bearing witness about jesus christ and his kingdom ,of course he got many things wrong ,but he was focused on jesus & his kingdom with what the new testament is all about.. j.f.rutherford in his wisdom decided to change the heading of the watchtower to " the watchtower announcing jehovah`s kingdom" a phrase / term / doctrine that is not in the new testament and takes away the importance and role that jesus christ has in bringing people to god.phil.2:9-11. nowhere in the christian greek scriptures / new testament are followers of jesus christ instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,nowhere there is not one scripture that instructs them to do so.. however in the christian greek scriptures / new testament there are over twenty scriptures whereby christians are told to be witnesses of jesus.. and it was by divine providence that followers of christ were to be called christians .acts 11:26 , not jehovah`s witnesses.. do jw`s even know what it means " by divine providence " ?.

  the jw`s use isaiah 43:10-12 an old testament scripture to justify calling themselves jehovah`s witnesses,however that was applied to the israelites back then ,did they adopt the name jehovah`s witnesses ?

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  He would probably have considered that question inappropiate. He was a young earth believer believing the Russell s tendency towards old earth to be an error just as the pyramide belief. He also found the orgs fondness of depicting Jehovah and heavenly stuff disturbing. Complicated man🤭. I in return struggled a bit with genesis 1-11 but quickly concluded they were figurative tales.

  Those Angels the org propably wanted to emphasize they were loyal and hardworking
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  If you speak against the Governing Body you will be punished.

  by punkofnice in

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  this was a comment from the meeting(tm) on sunday.. the person that told me about it, is very confused about the validity of the corporation.

  somewhere between a pimo and a pimi-lite.

  the thing that angered me was that this person has cancer.

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  JoenB75

  It true the rich men are usually elders. The reasoning is probably that they are used to having big responsibility 🤭
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  I.B.S.A. members were witnesses of Jesus Christ.-JW`s members are witnesses of Jehovah.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
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  is there a difference ?

  i believe so ,and a very big difference.one that harmonises with the new testament in bearing witness to jesus and his kingdom and one that amounts to a new gospel bearing witness to jehovah and his kingdom something that is condemned in the bible.. c.t.russell started the magazine called "zions watchtower and herald of christs presence" and its emphasis was on bearing witness about jesus christ and his kingdom ,of course he got many things wrong ,but he was focused on jesus & his kingdom with what the new testament is all about.. j.f.rutherford in his wisdom decided to change the heading of the watchtower to " the watchtower announcing jehovah`s kingdom" a phrase / term / doctrine that is not in the new testament and takes away the importance and role that jesus christ has in bringing people to god.phil.2:9-11. nowhere in the christian greek scriptures / new testament are followers of jesus christ instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,nowhere there is not one scripture that instructs them to do so.. however in the christian greek scriptures / new testament there are over twenty scriptures whereby christians are told to be witnesses of jesus.. and it was by divine providence that followers of christ were to be called christians .acts 11:26 , not jehovah`s witnesses.. do jw`s even know what it means " by divine providence " ?.

  the jw`s use isaiah 43:10-12 an old testament scripture to justify calling themselves jehovah`s witnesses,however that was applied to the israelites back then ,did they adopt the name jehovah`s witnesses ?

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  Anna Marina, my father believed the angels pushed the various planets into position and he emphasized it was hard work
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  If you speak against the Governing Body you will be punished.

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this was a comment from the meeting(tm) on sunday.. the person that told me about it, is very confused about the validity of the corporation.

  somewhere between a pimo and a pimi-lite.

  the thing that angered me was that this person has cancer.

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  JoenB75

  Well the JW leaders from Russell and onward consider themselves prophets even correcting Jesus on 'this generation' . They should be judged on that basis
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  I.B.S.A. members were witnesses of Jesus Christ.-JW`s members are witnesses of Jehovah.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is there a difference ?

  i believe so ,and a very big difference.one that harmonises with the new testament in bearing witness to jesus and his kingdom and one that amounts to a new gospel bearing witness to jehovah and his kingdom something that is condemned in the bible.. c.t.russell started the magazine called "zions watchtower and herald of christs presence" and its emphasis was on bearing witness about jesus christ and his kingdom ,of course he got many things wrong ,but he was focused on jesus & his kingdom with what the new testament is all about.. j.f.rutherford in his wisdom decided to change the heading of the watchtower to " the watchtower announcing jehovah`s kingdom" a phrase / term / doctrine that is not in the new testament and takes away the importance and role that jesus christ has in bringing people to god.phil.2:9-11. nowhere in the christian greek scriptures / new testament are followers of jesus christ instructed to be witnesses of jehovah ,nowhere there is not one scripture that instructs them to do so.. however in the christian greek scriptures / new testament there are over twenty scriptures whereby christians are told to be witnesses of jesus.. and it was by divine providence that followers of christ were to be called christians .acts 11:26 , not jehovah`s witnesses.. do jw`s even know what it means " by divine providence " ?.

  the jw`s use isaiah 43:10-12 an old testament scripture to justify calling themselves jehovah`s witnesses,however that was applied to the israelites back then ,did they adopt the name jehovah`s witnesses ?

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  JoenB75

  He is perfect subject in the Org. Imagine being so powerful you created all other things, yet being considered just a good angel. Then being created a second time dying for mankind's sins. Then being created a third time and going back to heaven living in the shadows and only being highlighted in the sense of the greatest servant in the universe and getting approving nods from the JWs.