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  Remind re: The "Cult" Label

  by Simon in

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  if you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.

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  peacefulpete

  It would improve the character of this forum if all forms of "insulting" and "lazy" name calling would be discouraged. Isn't that so Simon?
  
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  Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?

  by pistolpete in

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  2. scandals

  so the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.

  it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.

  americans love guns!.

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  peacefulpete

  Right now both halves of the US fear a military take over or coup.

  And this is why reasonable discussions are difficult. Sensationalist alarmism is the norm. Don't get me wrong the institutions we value require diligent defense, but our system of checks and balances is proving robust enough for the task. We are not in reality anywhere near a coup.
  
  
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  Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.

  it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.

  americans love guns!.

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  peacefulpete

  A slippery slope fallacy occurs when one claims in the absence of any sort of evidence that a relatively small first step will inevitably lead to a chain of related steps culminating in an overall negative effect.
  It is not a fallacy when one can provide evidence for or otherwise demonstrate that progression.

  What you believe you can provide as evidence that demonstrating an inevitable progression is merely a nebulous narrative being passed as evidence. The existence of gun regulations in most every country of the world, including our own, actually demonstrates the opposite. Regulations can be unoppressive and adaptable to local circumstances. IOW What America already has regarding gun regulations are proof that regulations do not inevitably result in the complete loss of the ability to own guns responsibly.

  I actually provided the link with Biden's policy proposals. So yes, I'm aware of them. I happen to agree with the majority of Democrats and Republicans that we can improve upon the regulations we currently have.
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  Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.

  it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.

  americans love guns!.

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  peacefulpete

  but you, my friend, are the one who made the jump from weapons to purely utilitarian objects like kitchen knives and therefore it is you have bridged the gap and made my point for me via a demonstration of the logical end-point of your argument.

  My point is simply that every one recognizes the wisdom of limiting access to weapons. "Hide the kitchen knives" is a proverbial expression for when you've pissed off your wife. It was meant to be funny while still making the point of the importance of limiting access to weapons to those whose judgement is compromised. If you prefer, I could have said "check your gun at the door" of the saloon. Another American proverb. This completely indisputable wisdom is lost on people when discussing gun regulation. It's classic slippery slope fallacy to suggest reasonable, measured regulation of gun use is impossible. Reasonable regulation of commerce and behavior is the cornerstone of civilization. It's what defines us as civilized.

  . As I pointed out farther up this thread a ban on what Biden calls, "weapons of war" would not be enough. Not in a country as violent as the U.S.

  The question is not whether it would 'be enough' but 'would it help.' I'm convinced it would.
  
  
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  Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.

  it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.

  americans love guns!.

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  That little pepper spray is counted as a weapon here

  I understand that. It was here not long ago too. A lot has to do with the record of local criminal use. The fact that Canadians drew a different line regarding pepper spray than we have illustrates that there is room for discussion and compromise.
  
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  Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.

  it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.

  americans love guns!.

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  peacefulpete

  Stefan Basil Molyneux is a Canadian far-right white nationalist, white supremacist, podcaster and banned YouTuber, who is best known for his promotion of conspiracy theories, scientific racism, eugenics, and racist views.
  
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  Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.

  it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.

  americans love guns!.

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  peacefulpete

  That is an argument whose end point is the denial of a pinky-sized keychain pepper-spray aerosol to a 50kg woman who must walk to her car after sunset.

  That kind of "all or nothing" cognitive disfunction (of a small percentage of the population) is a large aspect of the problem. Consider : I gave pepper spray to my wife and a friend for Christmas and I support universal background checks for gun sales. My brain did not explode.
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  Did You Fully Buy the WT View of Romans 6:7 (Acquitted of Sin by Dying) ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  romans chapter 6 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the old man in the king james version.

  the old personality must die, he cannot be fixed.

  the old personality is characterized by dominance of the flesh.

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  peacefulpete

  Rev 20:5a is a phrase that has invited debate for centuries. Manuscript evidence is pretty much a wash as the issue was already in debate before the earliest extant manuscripts. The best suggestion recommending it's inclusion is a simple scribal error. His eyes dropped from 1000 years in one sentence to the 1000 years in the next verse. It's logical and typical of such errors. Since manuscripts are a wash, as I said, the motivation to include or exclude largely stems from the theologian's take of the book's eschatology. Almost no one comes away from the book with the same understanding. If the work is to read on it's own terms it doesn't agree with the eschatology of the WT nor mainstream Christianity. It is pretty much exactly the late 2nd temple Jewish eschatology found in sister works of the period.

  The wording is a bit clumsy but it may have reflected the author's own explanatory note. Who knows?
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  Did You Fully Buy the WT View of Romans 6:7 (Acquitted of Sin by Dying) ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  romans chapter 6 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the old man in the king james version.

  the old personality must die, he cannot be fixed.

  the old personality is characterized by dominance of the flesh.

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  peacefulpete

  Well, my last comment was agreeing with you. Revelation was written by a subscriber in punishment after death. WT theology dismisses many passages in an effort to formulate a singular doctrine on death when in fact the OT and NT represent centuries of thought and an evolving concept of death and judgement.

  And naturally I believed it.
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  Did You Fully Buy the WT View of Romans 6:7 (Acquitted of Sin by Dying) ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  romans chapter 6 is about saying goodbye to the old personality, the old man in the king james version.

  the old personality must die, he cannot be fixed.

  the old personality is characterized by dominance of the flesh.

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  peacefulpete

  The whole eschatology of Revelation is premised on dead being resurrected to face judgement. (first resurrection to a reward) and (2nd resurrection to be judged negatively and burned in Lake of Fire). This same scenario is found in numerous late 2nd temple targums. The dead are resurrected to be judged and those deemed wicked are put in Gehenna (aka Lake of fire).