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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  The author of those words in Matt 13 is reusing the metaphor from Isaiah 6 to supplement his source document (Mark).

  There the prophet blamed the people for not agreeing with him. The fault was theirs not his or his arguments. Similarly 700+- years later the Matthean author felt that Jews that did not agree with him were somehow deficient, the fault was theirs.

  Ironically Isaiah would probably have been one of those for just two verses earlier (7) he declared his sins were atoned for and guilt removed.
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  It's a matter of the heart, not the eyes.

  That could be taken as meaning ignore your eyes in favor of a warm feeling
  
  
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  Your world views involve God using hidden messages, cryptic riddles and secret code words. A sober minded secular view sees the texts as sectarian responses to social injustice with creative use and reuse of metaphor. I enjoy a puzzle as much as most, but I'm also going to look at the 'big picture' on the box.
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  My point was that the author of the gospel recension later named Luke possibly drew from both Tobit and Psalms of Solomon as an explanation for the decades of delay.
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  You mock those who mistook books like Tobit as inspired? Kettle black my friend
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  Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

  by aqwsed12345 in

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  the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

  the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

  he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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  peacefulpete

  It's almost as if beliefs about the dead were evolving over time as the Jews were exposed to other cultures. Imagine that.
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  I'm not going to attempt to argue what books of the Jews were "inspired" or not. What I will suggest is recognizing that books like Tobit and Baruch and Psalms of Solomon were widely distributed and regarded as equal to books such as Daniel. As such they contribute much to understanding idiom and religious development. Ignoring the majority of written evidence will surely lead to erroneous conclusions.
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  Tobit 13:5

  He will afflict you for your iniquities,

  but will have mercy on all of you.

  He will gather you from all the nations

  among whom you have been scattered. ... all who are prisoners.14:5 God will again have mercy on them and bring them back to the land of Israel. They will build the house again, but it will not be like the first until the appointed times will be completed.

  Psalms of Solomon 2:19

  For the nations reviled Jerusalem, trampling her down.

  Luke 21:24
  They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
  
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  peacefulpete

  Tobit 13:5

  He will afflict you for your iniquities,

  but will have mercy on all of you.

  He will gather you from all the nations

  among whom you have been scattered. ....14:5 God will again have mercy on them and bring them back to the land of Israel. They will build the house again, but it will not be like the first until the era when the appointed times will be completed