australia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
@ScenicViewer:
> "Am I reading you right, yre you agreeing that the Watchtower is corrupt in it's handling of the child molestation issues? If so, you must also be agreeing that the 'spiritual paradise' that the Watchtower claims to have isn't real."
Right!
Would you appreciate a scripture that I feel helps say how the WTS is corrupt and they don't teach the right 'spiritual paradise', too? ..... Or, is this something you don't want to know?
.....falcon.....
australia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
@DaCheech
Thankyou for saying you can see/comprehend what I said. You said "to get to the WT, you gotta cut the rank and file." I disagree. It will do no good to remove a few individuals at the top. They will be replaced. What has to happen ultimately is to expose the organizations statements as fully hollow and false. IMHO, that is the best way to get where we want to go.
@metatron
> "Excuse me, Watchtower Apologist, but where are the f**king angels and holy spirit that are supposed to be keeping the organization clean? Off duty? Lazy?"
EXCUSE ME !! Do not call me a WT apologist, metatron!!
> "... they may have been entirely symbiotic in one congregation and perhaps the entire Branch organization."
Hmmm. Limited perspective, but taken as a generalized truth? Is that what you are saying? (If we find a couple 'terrorists', then there MUST be lots more....)
> "... Because I have direct experience in my own family with this very sort of 'elder-son-cover-up' scandal, as an indirect victim."
I'm sorry for that. But you really can't apply the same terms or conditions elsewhere. Yes of course the same problem is in other cong's, but does that mean it is endemic to the whole system?? I don't think so.
> "I don't believe that JW's are some sort of pedophile paradise - that's ridiculous.....but I do believe that Witnesses are so insular, cultish and collectively bereft of moral good sense that they would look the other way or cover up or lie about such things, in the name of avoiding shame on their organizational-idol."
The KH/Church is like a magic-spell to people. Were you ever a JW? Did you believe in defending what you thought was a righteous god and caring organization?? I know I did! But how I have changed from then!! Should I despise myself metatron??? It's better to clear our heads - they have been full of assumptions and trusts that did not belong there. We were deceived!! I was deceived, you were deceived, they were deceived. Get it? Listen to what I'm going to say now. I AM NOT SOFT ON THE WTS FOR ITS LIES AND POISONS. IT RUINS FAMILIES AND HAS RUINED MANY LIVES. HAS IT RUINED YOUR LIFE? YOU ARE STILL ALIVE, YOU KNOW.
A phrase comes to mind. 'Correlation is not causation.'
@theQuietOne
Very interesting observation indeed TQO! Hmmmm....
@metatron
> "we're not talking about an organization full of pedophiles - just a few, mishandled by a corrupt organization."
Yes it is corrupt, of course, I agree on that. I disagree on how to improve the situation. 'You can catch more bee's with honey than with vinegar.'
@hamsterbait
> "Read the watchtowers on apostasy and feel the seething hatred drip from the page as the Faithful Slave recommend -yes- HATRED."
I don't fully agree with that statement - but let's say it's true for argument sake. If the WTS supports hatred (for any 'righteous cause') is that 'good moral sense' to practice it yourself after you leave the org.??? Where is it 'good' to have hatred?? Really, tell me.
...falcon....
australia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
@wha happened
WTF? Just cuz I don't join in the 'festival' here, doesn't mean I'm a covert-JW.... Is it because I mentioned the bible or Jesus??
<grumble>>>>
.....falcon.....
australia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
@Aussie oz
> "As for inciting hate...i think you need to hold the mirror to the WT not us. Yes we get pissed off lots, we tell it like it is, like it or not. The WT and a good many are drooling for our blood don't you worry, and it is a war, one waged on the internet."
The WTS certainly does publish 'sickening' statements, ie; don't go to higher schooling, don't respect other denominations; don't listen to provable facts from ex-jw's; don't listen to your own heart (it is treacherous); don't accept what the Bible says, believe what we tell you the Bible says; etc etc.
Yes I am very disgusted by the WTS too!! It is very manipulating, and insideous! But I don't write angry hateful generalizations about the organization or it's people that ignorantly follow it, like is evidenced in this very message thread.
@Alfred
Why should you be anything different than a hatemonger for what the WTS has done ???
Because your life is worth more than all that hate and resentment. And it won't fix the problem either.
> "When it comes to pedophiles who constantly get their own way with innocent children and are well-protected by a multi-billion dollar publishing cult"...
Uhm - You make it sound so SYSTEMATIC. You think it's all that intentional?? At the very least, the WTS is not so different than any other insular church group.
@wobble
> "Even gentle Christians should hate that which is evil, the JW's as an organisation, and as described above , are evil."
That is a very extreme generalization, and is hate mongering. Show me in the Bible where Jesus supported any form of hate???
@Gayle
> " 'It looks like most of you are acting like paparazzi, and drooling for blood.'
That is quite an extreme accusation."
Notice I said 'looks like most'. I'm not being weasley, I said it carefully in the first place. I'm not so much making an 'accusation' as making My Statement and Observation, and I used paparazzi as a comparitive. Which I stand behind. I see what is written here by people....
I know all about the feeling of threat and damage from molestation... Little ones are told to stay quiet or their mother will be killed, etc etc... And when trusted people turn on you, it is crushing even more.... So all this 'righteous hate' is going to help the overall situation and 'make things safer' ??? There is no escaping the risks of pedophiles or other selfish human greeds - In, or out of any church. You are told by the WTS/churches to "follow compassion - and this is what compassion is...", but you are also told "do not follow your own sense of compassion for it is wrong."
I'm all for protecting the innocent children, but lets not forget the innocent adults as well. 99% of people that go to KH's are not pedophiles! Be aware how you paint things! The way some talk, it's implied as if the WTS and pedophiles are synonymous and symbiotic. Specifically what Alfred said. THAT is an extreme accusation.
Ultimately, I'm all for seeing guilty parties pay their dues. But I don't support vicious attitudes or generalizations based on group-think!!!
...falcon....
australia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
Hi all.
@ScenicViewer: I used the word "church" as my own admission that the "Kingdom Hall" as is the WTS a Church. As the organization rejects the idea that they are a church. So I specifically used the word church, yes. I really did grow up as a JW, in a JW only family. I had zero options for my beliefs or life choices. Ya, I'm damaged too. I'm not trying to hurt people, I'm trying to hurt the sickened beliefs that the WTS/"church" is held together with. But right now I'm just saying, WHOAH, a little bit. It's very angry in here, I don't think I deserve the heat.
BTW, don't everyone get mad at me because you immediately conclude I'm 'defending' the WTS in any way. I certainly am not!! I know there's some "unpleasant" things about the WTS, and I know it can get real ugly. I for one, don't need to over-focus on the ugly.
@ The Rest:
Yes, I don't know human nature as well as I could. I'm not trying to piss people off. I looked into this thread and I was very unsettled by the hungry nature of most of the posts. I illustrated it my way. I did not name names of anybody. I did not specifically insult anyone. I reminded the readers there are limits to what you can FAIRLY post here. Or the moderators will address you at some point for breaking the posting rules THEY clearly set. Did anybody look at the videos, or just get mad and start replying?
My first post was pretty good though, wasn't it??
.....falcon.....
australia, breaking news: police launch investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children with the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
jw news can report that victoria police have launched an investigation into the rape and molestation of a number of children within the traralgon congregation of jehovah's witnesses over the past two years.
according to initial reports,... the body of elders were strictly ordered by the watchtower bible and tract society of australia to cover-up the multiple rapes of a number of children within the traralgon congregation allegedly committed by a fellow member of the jehovah's witness religion.
Hello everyone...
I'm new here, but not that new to the JW issue. I grew up in a JW family like many of you, or some of you.
I've done incredible amount of study on the JW's the past 5+ years, and have sometimes been shocked and horrified at what I also found to apparently be 'true'. I was already basically 'out' of the church, but I wanted to know for myself (and ultimately for my family's future) why it was looking so problematic to me. It was a very difficult shift for me -- but as they say, I wanted THE TRUTH. It took a LOT of soul searching and seeking my own conscience and carefully re-examining my very own thinking that i was 'given' from this church. It does take some courage to honestly assess the issues. And I needed plenty. It's a shift in thinking really. When you read JW material, you have to be careful about logical problems, including a major use of 'logical misdirection', as well as N L P. I'm sorry to say, some of what they tell you is true, is simply not true at all! It's up to us to realize it, and come to our own conscience about these matters.
Check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztQBKmIFqcc
Now - I've been reading through this very thread, and to be honest, I am horrified at what I am reading from most of you! It looks like most of you are acting like paparazzi, and drooling for blood, and for someone to "go to jail", even one comment about "pedophiles dont do well in prison". What I am seeing here appears very close to hate-mongering. Are any of you self-confessed hate-mongers??? I fully realize the sensitivity, and long term nature of the damage this church does, and BELIEVE ME, I would love to see the church crushed in its following, and I believe it will in time, but I don't see much good from all this 'baited breathe for blood" !!
I would like to direct your attention to the posting guidelines of this very website forum. Look at points 1, 2, and 3 ! Is it wise to post incomplete details of the exact matter while it is still not even investigated, BUT POST THE SPECIFIC CONGREGATION INVOLVED?!
Especially # 2! "Incitinghatred on the basis of race, religion, ...."
How many of you would go and do this??..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVAQ3emFu9U
Please please remember these Three R's. Respect yourself. Respect honesty. Respect your fellow man.
From what I've learned from my extensive and deep study, there is more than enough ammo to destroy the church without even dealing directly with the pedophile problem!
You don't need nukes to get a tree-stump out of the ground....
....falcon....
