Well, I never left, I'm still in but wish I could be out completely. However I know what you mean, if you want to keep your relationship with your spouse you may have to 'fake it' a bit. I manage it by going to as few meetings as I can get away with, as little FS as possible, no answering up, no talks and refusing to be guilt tripped if I say no to anything. It is hard but it's just about do-able.
tornapart
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Are there people who have returned
by His Excellency inconsidering all the consequences of leaving the organization (especially the loss of family), some who have already known ttat have decided to return and continue with the flow just to keep their families and friend.. my question is if anyone here had tried it and how they have been managing living a lie constantly day-after-day?, as i am seriously considering returnning back to the full routine..
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Judicial Meeting
by Kool Jo inso here you are...sitting with a couple of elders at judicial meeting, and you're asked the following question:.
"do you still believe that the fds is the channel that jehovah is using"?.
now is it possible to answer 'no' without being df, or how would you answer that question?.
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I would just turn it round and ask them what Jesus asked his apostles.. "Who really is the FDS?" Last year it was all the anointed, this year it's only the GB, so how do I know what to believe?
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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Curse of Music.
by donny injehovahs witnesses and the curse of music.. .
i was inspired to write this after listening to a recent podcast of the thinking atheist by seth andrews.
as many of you know, seth was a devout christian who not only loved contemporary christian music but was one of the hosts of a popular morning show on kxoj in tulsa, oklahoma in the 1990s.
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tornapart
I remember decades ago I went to a pioneer school. I travelled in with a brother (He was at the same pioneer school and I was staying with him and his little family). We travelled several miles alone in the car (neither of us had a problem with that, nor did his wife) and all the way there and back we listened to Yes and Mike Oldfield. I was invited to a sister's home for tea one evening, her son was a Bethelite, he'd left his music collection behind as it wasn't allowed in Bethel. He had Black Sabbath, Led Zep, Deep Purple etc... My own record collection was filled with rock albums... today I enjoy gospel rock too.
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What about your vow to Jehovah?
by a watcher indid you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
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tornapart
Watcher.... read this book:- it doesn't take long, I read it in 3 days. Do you ever wonder what the GB do? What they say? What happens behind closed doors in the Brooklyn Bethel. You seem to me to be a JW who is curious about things. I was curious, I came across this book and read it out of curiosity. It's a fascinating read.... I didn't see things the same way once I'd read it....
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1310174.Crisis_Of_Conscience
[Link changed by jgnat, rule 4, copyright]
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What about your vow to Jehovah?
by a watcher indid you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
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tornapart
'I just go with it'............................... like a robot................ without thought, without question... they've done all the work for you haven't they? And you just accept it whether it's right or wrong...
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What about your vow to Jehovah?
by a watcher indid you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
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tornapart
"we don't emphasize Jesus because he is only one part".......
WOW!! That says it ALL! Isa 9:6 calls him Mighty God... he was given a name above every name and even the angels worship him (Heb 1:6, in the Kingdom Interlinear or footnote of large print bible and all other translations)
The whole of the NT is about Jesus Christ.. our Saviour, our Redeemer, our Lord, our King.... The SON OF GOD!! And you say he is 'ONLY A PART'!!!
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What about your vow to Jehovah?
by a watcher indid you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
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My vow was to God and not an organisation. My vow to God still stands.
True christians throughout the centuries and even now are scattered throughout many different denominations. Just as Jesus said... the wheat would grow amongst the weeds.
As for an 'organisation'... where was it before Israel? Where was it after the apostles? That wonderful organisation that Jehovah despaired of for centuries... that Jesus condemned...
Yes, I allowed men to come between me and God... I allowed a man made organisation to come between me and God. Now the only one that comes between me and God is Jesus Christ.
"Do not put your trust in nobles, nor the son of earthling man to whom no salvation belongs" Psalm 146:3
Jesus Christ alone is the Way the Truth and the Life.........
Watcher.. why are you allowing men to come between you and God? Why are you putting your trust in men for your salvation? Why are you in an organisation that considers itself 'the Truth' when Jesus Christ said HE was the Truth?
Is Jesus your mediator? Is he your salvation? Have you looked at the study WT we are doing this month? The last study article has a picture of 'God's organisation'... Heavenly and earthly... tell me .... where is Jesus Christ in that picture? (April 15 page 29)
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My Life outside the Watchtower....ugggggg
by new hope and happiness in- i am now one individual expressing my own thoughts and point of view.
i think by doing this i oppose the w.t and have woken up many sleeping witnesses and even inspired them to think for themselfs and listen to that voice of reason inside them.. but now that voice of reason is awoken there is no longer any sleep no more dreaming and slowly have discoverd a new life of lies and illusion .holly shit the whole world , the goverments and the newspapers and advertising is feeding me the same s...t only different lies and a differnt illusion than the watchtowers.
uggggggggg.
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tornapart
Last year I went on holiday to an area where I couldn't get internet, tv was in another language so I just read books and enjoyed the nature. I was amazed by how totally freeing it was. When I came back home I couldn't believe the stuff that had occurred in our country/worldwide that I had no idea about while I was away and I realised that it didn't really matter!
If one day it happens that things get bad, so be it but why worry about things that haven't happened yet. We can't change them anyway. Perhaps we can do what we can in our own small way, maybe give something to charity but on a big scale we can't, so why fret?
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Former Long Time Elder, New Member
by James Jackson ini have served 20 years as an elder, 5 years as an ms. was on the district committee in 2010, held various positions on the district , circuit, and rbc level.
probably been on more than 100 judicial committees and even an appeals committee.
was the coordinator in our congregation and deleted because adult child was df ( i kicked him out at the time of his wrongdoing, but that wasn't enough for thr brothers).
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tornapart
Welcome James, there's a number of us who are still 'in', it's a difficult place to be when you start to discover things. We have to be 'cautious as serpents and innocent as doves'. Take in as much as you can, go slowly and be careful what you say and who you say it to.
Wish you well.
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Jehovah's Witnesses: Who's Your Mediator?
by Darth Rutherford inis jesus your mediator?
were these men anointed christians?
... jesus christ, is not the mediator between jehovah god and all mankind.
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tornapart
This is a biggie for me... I can't accept that this group of men has inserted itself between Christ and us. How dare they? Jesus said we should call no one our leader except him. He is the ONLY ONE who should be between us and God.
I was watching a documentary about William Tyndale recently and his bug bear was exactly the same. He refused to accept the Catholic Church/Pope as mediator and only accepted Christ as personal mediator/saviour.