atrapado
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Interesting video "ex jw elders meeting"
by yourmomma inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi7az1ahhda&feature=mfu_in_order&list=ul.
this is a long series.
im finding more and more that jw's are so illequiped for debate, that they cant even make coherent arguments.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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atrapado
poopsiecakes I am not going to denied am bias towards a God and the Bible and if there is one small straw that I can hold to I will. I have seen evidence on both sides of the story. Like insonsistancies in chronology for example Jesus Matthew vs Luke or how OT God does somethings that I cannot fully convince everyone as to why God did it etc. There are explanations for most of those issues. When you look at the explanations it might satisfy you it might not. Just because I agree with something doesn't mean I expect others to agree with it nor does it make it right.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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cofty truth is based on a frame of reference. Tell me are there more natual numbers(1,2,3,4 ...) between 0 and postive infinity than real values(0, 0.1, 0.11 ...) from 0 to 1? Did you know that there are the same number of real values between 0 to 1 than 0 to postive infinity. Wait what? count([0, infinity)) = count([0,1]) for all real values. Thats nonsense because [0,1] should be a subset of [0, infinity). I believe the first one to discover this was going crazy. Makes no sence that they are equal numbers between 0-1 as 0-2 or 0-infinity.
Now depending how you define your math the above is true or not. The way we define it is true, yet if we were to make different rules then it might be true it might not.
We been trained to think a certain way. Most discoveries happen because of an accidents or because someone was thinking completely outside our education system.
I am not saying we shouldn't be emphatic about anything(we all need O2 etc.). But sometimes (I feel might be wrong) that we tend to be emphatic just to prove our point even though there is not enough evidence to guarntee we are 100% right.
And I am not against any debate it might be only the few threads I have read but I get the impression asseartions are made that are not 100% accurate as if they were and sometimes people are put down because they don't agree with others.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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atrapado
I still believe in God, Jesus and most of the Bible.
Can I explain all the apparent contradictions on the Bible nope. As JWs we were thought we knew the truth and that the Bible was white and black. You are either right or you are wrong. Seems to be something that carries over to many exJWs. The mentality of either you are right or wrong. We have a need to know if what we believe is right or wrong. And some want to shove their conclusions to others.
Life is finally what you want to make of it. Do you want to spend your life searching for knowlege and truth all the time. One of the biggest obstacles of finding the truth is believing you have the whole truth. But you could spend your entired life and never find it, if that makes you happy so be it, but if it doesn't then we need to accept there are many things we'll never know and we'll never proove.
I like some of Sulla's points. I too in my over 20 years as a bautized jw in multiple congregation never met one single person that was very religious or that had a very strong Bible knowlge. I always wonder why we could only teach people that knew very little about the Bible.
We are not rational creatures. We don't believe or do what is the more logical path. We don't want to be alone in our believes and even if there is proof we should believe something most of us unless there are other people believing it we feel unease by that.
We can talk about critical thinking skills and apply them to everything. Yet those where the same methods others taught us, aren't we arriving at the conclusion because of the tools someone else gave us? Education can be great, but can also destroyed the creativity of many. You are pre-programmed to think a certain way because other ways are just illogical and stupid.
My conclusions is that there are cons and pros on practically everything. There are a few things that are absolutes most are not. There might be a 99% evidence that points one way and 1% that might point on a different way. If we try to be rational we will go with the 99% yet if someone goes with the 1% doesn't make them less smart there still 1% in their favor and we should learn to respect that. When something is not 100% you can argue all you want but at the end of the day it can go either way.
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atrapado
EntirelyPossible fair question. I guess I have doubts but I would like to believe both on a God and the Bible.
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EntirelyPossible if you believe the Bible why do you waste your time with anti-christs?
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atrapado
EntirelyPossible what was my point? 0 >>> 0 is not true. 0 = 0. I guess is a human nature to exaggerated things to proof our point I been guilty of this.
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Jeffro you seen a lot of humans and you know what they are capable and you seen or heard of many dying. So you have 0 proof that they can offer salvation and even if we assume there is no god. You are saying 0 >>> 0 by your " there's much more reason" yet you make statements like " It's a fallacious appeal to pride" aren't you guilty of the same?