To me, this is bad news. The organization loves to play the Persecution Card. And it puts the lowly rank and file members who are suffering the most in a bind. Rather than jail time, the government should fine the Branch office.
Londo111
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If a proposed bill in Mexico passes, new law will mean jailtime for JW´s
by ILoveTTATT2 inapparently it's true!!
omg!!.
i did not want to believe these news, i still feel it's a hoax, it can't be true!.
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Last Night I was surrounded by Jehovah's Witnesses . . .
by Terry inlast night was the "body viewing" at the funeral home for the jw whose friendship and influence resulted in my getting baptised in 1963. we weren't just friends.
we had a david & jonathan bromance :) no seriously, we loved each other dearly.. it's only in the last 2 years he shunned me.
before that, he would sneak behind the curtain of stealth, so to speak, and we'd sit for hours each and every week chatting, reminiscing and sometimes arguing about the truth about the "truth.".
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Londo111
I think that JWs as individuals are naturally more yielding and about the shunning rules during these circumstances and their authentic non-cult self can more easily surface. And of course, they are hoping that by being nice, they will win you back, but might be sincere in doing so. After all, in their mind, your everlasting future is at stake. -
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Coordinator for the elder body
by truth doubter ini was recently told that circit overseers must give up the position at age 70. is that true and if so, does the coordinator have to give up his position at age 70 also?
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Jehovah's Witnesses - People of Integrity
by Saved_JW inwhen i think of integrity, a lot of positive connotations come to mind.
i think of individuals grounded in principles, who do not operate on opinions that change based on the breeze of political or social change.
a life that is directed by a code of morality, not on capricious emotions.
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Londo111
"individuals grounded in principles, who do not operate on opinions that change ...directed by a code of morality, not on capricious emotions."
Yes, almost sounds like a Nazi!
I think I'm more comfortable with people with are open to change, are flexible, and are guided by emotions such as love, mercy, and empathy.
My time in the JWs has soured me on the I word.
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Further CO Leaks
by wifibandit inbelieve inspired truth, not inspired error (s-341a-16-e).
instructions for the circuit overseer’s meeting with the pioneers and field missionaries in conjunction with the circuit assembly (s-312-tk16-e no.
circuit overseer meets with pioneers and field missionaries program for september 2015 through february 2016 (s-335-16-e).
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Londo111
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This Could Be Good... Hulu’s ‘The Path’ portrays family life inside a cult
by freemindfade inthis looks great for people who are both cult survivors and aaron paul fans!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/slow-but-emotionally-creepy-hulus-the-path-portrays-family-life-inside-a-cult/2016/03/29/43840c46-f2c5-11e5-a61f-e9c95c06edca_story.html.
slow but emotionally creepy, hulu’s ‘the path’ portrays family life inside a cult.
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JW marriages: “They” looked good on paper.
by Londo111 ini applaud anyone, male or female, who overcomes shallowness and looks at a person’s deeper qualities, especially in regard dating and marriage.
the movie and fashion industry does much to institute shallowness to the point that, in my opinion, it promotes outright discrimination and judgmentalism even as they give lip service to tolerance..
on the other hand, among jehovah’s witnesses, there seem to be a preponderance of incompatible marriages.
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Londo111
Yes, due to "marry in the Lord" interpreted to mean marrying only JWs, there has always been a lack of choice. Not just for women, but for guys as well.
Years ago a friend of mind who was looking only saw "mismatched pieces" and that is quite an apt description for the JW dating pool. There are far too many marriages made of "mismatched pieces" and no honorable way in the cult to correct the mistake. It becomes a train wreck.
The “cream of the crop”, that is, the pioneers could be quite nutty. It is a stressful lifestyle that brings no true satisfaction. It is not good for mental health. Many end up on antidepressants so they can get by.
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A Brief History of MONEY and the Watchtower religion
by Terry inwatch tower corp has changed a long-standing policy in regard to donations which had been in place a long, long time.
to appreciate how drastic these changes have been, you'd have to know how it was from the beginning.. .
watch tower corp has changed a long-standing policy in regard to donations which had been in place a long, long time.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses are Taught to Lie but to then Lie about Lying
by Terry injehovah’s witnesses are taught to lie but to then lie about lying.
first off, let’s define what it means to tell a lie.
i prefer the definition offered by aristotle way back in 4th century b.c.e.
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Londo111
As a JW, I believed as most JWs, that this was reserved for life-and-death situations. For instance, in a time of persecution where JWs are being put into concentration camps and tortured to death, not to betray the location of fellow JWs. In that light, it actually makes sense.
However, in practice, it is apparent that the upper echelons use this statement “may want to bring harm to Jehovah’s people in some way” in a very broad fashion.
What is “Jehovah’s people”? It is Mother Organization, not rank and file individuals.
What is “harm” “in some way”? Not unjust physical harm (life-and-death), but anything that is harmful to Mother, financially, legally, in terms of publicity, potentially losing members by being exposed (example UN NGO scandal).
Of course, rank and file JWs practice a form of theocratic warfare without even being conscious of doing so, partly because of loaded language redefines many words in such a way that is misleading. “No we are not at the door to convert you…” “We are not soliciting…” And back in the day, “We are not selling anything…”
JWs learn to practice omission not bringing up certain teachings that would scare people away. They learn to the art of spin and whitewash and downplay any insider doctrine that a householder might bring up.
Of course, most JWs apart from religion are pretty honest. But then so are members of other groups.
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JW marriages: “They” looked good on paper.
by Londo111 ini applaud anyone, male or female, who overcomes shallowness and looks at a person’s deeper qualities, especially in regard dating and marriage.
the movie and fashion industry does much to institute shallowness to the point that, in my opinion, it promotes outright discrimination and judgmentalism even as they give lip service to tolerance..
on the other hand, among jehovah’s witnesses, there seem to be a preponderance of incompatible marriages.
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Londo111
Yes, the dating rules became an ill foundation.
It was drilled home that I could not date before one was “ready” for marriage, especially financially ready to be a family “head”. On the other hand, college was a big no-no (up until the early 1990’s at least). Thus, in my early 20’s, I was between a rock and a hard place.
At the same time, there are strict rules for interacting with the opposite gender and the Young People Ask articles drummed this constantly. One cannot be “just friends” with anyone of the opposite gender. Even frequent calling (nowadays texting or emailing) is viewed as dating. But if you are not “ready” for dating, that is ready for marriage, then that rules that out. However, this is how young people learn to converse and interact with the opposite gender. Thus I did not go on my first date until I was 29 and that ended up being the person I married.
In reality, dating when young is a learning experience, full of trying and failing. Along the way, people learn to social and talk both with platonic and romantic intent. Eventually this equips a person for a long term relationship.