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  Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

  by Xanthippe in

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  when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

  no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

  still people find it so hard to leave.

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  Londo111

  It's not easier to leave...because shunning carries a big stick.

  It is easier to mentally awaken to TTATT then ever before. Before the internet, it was near impossible.
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  Are the writers in the writing department purposely misquoting people?

  by paulmolark in

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  after reading that great post about the june 1 article on science i got to thinking.

  although it is great to believe there is this huge group of guys in the jw writing department that are constantly looking to mislead us by twisting the words of scientist etc... i really think it is more likely they are google researchers that do not have the ability to grasp the thoughts that are being expressed in the scientific article they quote mine from.. i honestly believe the reason that this happens is because of the individuals they use to write these magazines.

  these are not college educated men.

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  Londo111

  This is the issue that woke me up. It is understandable to be mistaken or wrong...we all are. But when scholars are quoted out of context it seems lacking in journalistic integrity at best and deceptive at worst.

  Of course, I've heard it explained this way by a former writer:

  (1) People send in interesting quotes to the Watchtower.

  (2) It is one person's job to verify the quote (that the words in the quote are accurate) and file these quotes away.

  (3) Another person writing an article might reference from this system of quotes.

  (4) If the person quoted complains, the feedback goes to another department, not Writing. The person who wrote the article and the person who filed the quote might not necessarily hear the complaint.

  This system, that spans departments, is described as dysfunctional rather than unified. But apparently, these writers aren’t intentionally trying to be deceptive, they are just under extreme confirmation bias.

  Sometimes though there are some cases that it would seem incredulous to believe that deception is not involved. Often is the case, the Watchtower often omits facts that would be "stumbling" to the "flock". They do not tell the entire truth.
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  Informant-I consent for my relevant medical records to be shared with HLC!

  by Atlantis in

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  from an informant who contacted atlantis:.

  .. i consent to my relevant medical records and the details of my condition being shared with.

  the emergency contact below and/or with member(s) of the hospital liaison committee.

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  Londo111

  “The person who signed this document did so in my presence. He or she appears to be of sound mind and free from duress, fraud, or undue influence.”

  If only the person signing the document understood undue influence, often completly invisible to appearances.
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  I have never pushed the dislike button on purpose!!

  by brandnew in

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  so, if anybody ever got a dislike from me.....it was my fat thumbs trying to scroll down....sorry ; )

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  Londo111

  I hope I don't lose my microphone privledges...
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  I have never pushed the dislike button on purpose!!

  by brandnew in

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  so, if anybody ever got a dislike from me.....it was my fat thumbs trying to scroll down....sorry ; )

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  Londo111

  I just hit dislike to be funny. :)
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  WT cash flow speculation

  by campaign of hate in

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  so it was reported that the wt made $60,000,000 in canada last year (?).

  working on the assumption that this figure is from not only donations, but from property revenues and other ventures from the branch, we get a figure of $528 per publisher, per year.

  the calculation: 60,000,000 / 113,617 (2014 av pubs) = $528 a year per publisher.

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  Londo111

  I've nothing to add...I just want to follow this thread in case anyone says something insightful...
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  They're Making it Impossible to Fade

  by DarioKehl in

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  for those of you who have already faded due to family still being in, have you noticed how the noose is tightening?.

  if it's not memorial, it's special day assembly.

  if it's not that, it's convention or the special talk.

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  Londo111

  I haven’t been to a meeting in over two-and-a-half years. The COBE called me after the remnants of a hurricane came through and since I didn’t know who it was, I answered. Now I’ve programmed his number in my phone and know not to answer. I usually screen all my calls anyway. If I don’t recognize the number, I don’t answer.
  Some months later, it snowed, and another elder was calling around to let everyone know the meeting was canceled. I didn’t answer and it rolled to voicemail.
  I haven’t heard anything since. I purposely moved my records to a Hall outside the ‘territory’ I live in. I attended that hall about a month-and-a-half before I quit. A handful of people there knew me or vaguely knew who I was in relation to relatives. By and large, I’m betting they likely forgot I was there.
  Elders are very busy doing the busywork that maintains their position. They’ve little time to drive outside their territory to visit someone they do not know or hardly remember. I’m not the only ‘inactive’ person out there either…there are likely several dozen.
  There is lots of transition in the area. Congregations and even the circuit being re-orged. It’s easy to get lost in the mix.
  Of course, there is always a slim chance I get recognized on Youtube. But then, they would have to take the effort to figure out where my records are parked to come after me. They’ve much bigger fish to fry.
  
  
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  Anyone Know what happened to the Video that's brought down many JWs to Ex-JW land?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

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  2. beliefs

  i've been looking for a video done by someone who shows the warning by jesus saying "if anyone comes to you and say's "the appointed time is near" you are to run from them!

  two people who left the watchtower said this has been one of the most powerful videos to get inside the heads of really smart elders and witnesses that don't come the regular way.. the gist of the video is the watchtower wrote a book called "the appointed time is near" and this goes against everything jesus christ warned people.

  the problem with the watchtower's followers is they need "omens", "portents", "signs" to keep their followers following along their path lead by that dried up old carrot (the end) or (the appointed time).

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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_in_the_Scriptures

  In Russell's Studies in the Scriptures series of books, The Time Is At Hand was the title of the second.
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  Anyone Know what happened to the Video that's brought down many JWs to Ex-JW land?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been looking for a video done by someone who shows the warning by jesus saying "if anyone comes to you and say's "the appointed time is near" you are to run from them!

  two people who left the watchtower said this has been one of the most powerful videos to get inside the heads of really smart elders and witnesses that don't come the regular way.. the gist of the video is the watchtower wrote a book called "the appointed time is near" and this goes against everything jesus christ warned people.

  the problem with the watchtower's followers is they need "omens", "portents", "signs" to keep their followers following along their path lead by that dried up old carrot (the end) or (the appointed time).

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  Londo111

  8 And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying,‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.--Luke 21:8 ESV

  
  
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  607 article on JW website

  by Pubsinger in

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  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011736.

  i've not bothered to read anything on this for years as i addressed it personally years ago.

  but in this official article they appear to be focusing all their argument on the '70 years' part of the debate.

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  Londo111

  The Gentile Times equation is still in play. Last October, they piped a video into all the Kingdom Halls during the service meeting which was a demonstration on how to explain 607 BC + 2520 years = 1914 to a householder.

  For any JWs who happen to have found this thread:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-K8pyVfKcU&index=1&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtFtd_wlv08&index=1&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDh49TxoG_6jXALSqcB5COp