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  GB Doesn’t Believe in 1914 Anymore – My reasoning

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.

  this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.

  there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.

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  Londo111

  Justnowout: I see the part in the KM, but what video are they using?
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  Melbourne's Herald Sun -- "confessions of a Jehovah's Witness"

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
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  all the dubs pouring into melbourne, australia for the international convention gonna choke on their cornflakes when they read this .... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/former-jehovahs-witness-lifts-lid-on-stifling-doomobsessed-religion/story-fni0ffsx-1227092921890.

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  Londo111

  Spot on! The more non-JWs educated about JWs, the better!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46jRcwGhMig&list=UUnXY0-N67N4a5a8eKbar-iw
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  No more SHARED Territory only PERSONAL Territory

  by OwnAccord in

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  2. beliefs

  this person is in turkey and maybe the reason for the chage?.

  we have our circuit visit next week.

  it has been said that each publisher should request for a personal territory so after next week we will not be meeting in the territory anymore.. the details for the switch are getting clearer.

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  Londo111

  If is likely to try to decrease Watchtower liability.

  In other words, “Oh, the Watchtower or the XYZ congregation didn’t send that child molester to the door…each has a personal ministry. We aren’t involved!”
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  Has Anything Changed In JW Understanding Since The Annual Meeting?

  by minimus in

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  2. beliefs

  i haven't been here much within the last week.

  is there anything new in watchtower world?.

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  Londo111

  They moved the Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins and the Parable of the Talents from 1914-1919 to a future coming of Jesus and a Great Tribulation.

  The move from types/antitypes to more practical application of Scripture will likely be: do more, do it better--or else!
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  Four Levels of Shunning

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  remember: the word shun means to avoid, especially persistently.. level 1. official watchtower policy makes extreme shunning mandatory for those disfellowshipped or disassociated.

  there are, of course, two loopholes:.

  (1) one is not shunned if living in the same household...but this works as long as one is not kicked out of their own home (like raypublisher was) or if the jw decide to leave as a consequence.. (2) one may do necessary family business..but this is open to interpretation and obviously relations are very uncomfortable and strained.. but for those two loopholes, a jw may not speak to the person shunned, not even to say hello.

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  Londo111

  In particular, in the next few weeks if a local needs talk is given, everyone usually can figure out who did what. And then there are the instances where a reproof is given one week for one person, and a marking talk is given for another, and people think they know what the person who was reproved did.
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  Why I Refuse to Accept the term APOSTATE

  by Black Man in

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  2. friends

  been going back in forth with my mom (who is a longtime pioneer and dyed-in-the-wool jw) about the term apostate.

  she has labeled me one because of my fading and because i stopped attending meetings a few years ago.

  i told her that i refuse to accept the term apostate because its a lazy way for the wts to not deal with dissenters and address why people are leaving this organization in droves.

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  Londo111

  While the technical dictionary definition fits, the many connotations that the Watchtower adds does not. For instance, apostates are supposed to mislead people with “lies, half-truths and misrepresentations.” If THAT was the definition and meaning of apostate, I object to it, while not objecting to the actual dictionary definition.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLkAu1h7oH0&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDR_jCICclFAMGVxNwvKFHJ&index=0

  Playlist here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDR_jCICclFAMGVxNwvKFHJ
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  Could it be the number of jw under 5 million?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was thinking about this last night, in the year book they publish the number or peak and average publishers.

  as we know a publisher could simply be a child getting out in service regularly.

  if two parents baptized have to small children that are publishers then they are counted as four.

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  Londo111

  I wish we had good metrics, but the real numbers are likely only known to HQ.

  I suppose the only real metrics we have are the number being baptized.
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  Four Levels of Shunning

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
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  remember: the word shun means to avoid, especially persistently.. level 1. official watchtower policy makes extreme shunning mandatory for those disfellowshipped or disassociated.

  there are, of course, two loopholes:.

  (1) one is not shunned if living in the same household...but this works as long as one is not kicked out of their own home (like raypublisher was) or if the jw decide to leave as a consequence.. (2) one may do necessary family business..but this is open to interpretation and obviously relations are very uncomfortable and strained.. but for those two loopholes, a jw may not speak to the person shunned, not even to say hello.

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  Londo111

  Thank you. I don't mind at all. Lately, I’ve been distressed over my decline of writing ability which has taken a hit over the last two years. The older I get, the more I feel like the character in Flowers for Algernon.

  Since we are all using psuedonyms, I doubt it would need to be anonymized.
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  How Judicial Committees Violate Individual Privacy

  by Londo111 in

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  many here have called for public judicial committees, which would indeed add to transparency.

  but--every person deserves a measure of privacy, and to be able to keep their dirty laundry from public view.

  why should everyone know the details of very personal matters, perhaps involving private struggles and family secrets?

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  Londo111

  bttt
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  Four Levels of Shunning

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
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  remember: the word shun means to avoid, especially persistently.. level 1. official watchtower policy makes extreme shunning mandatory for those disfellowshipped or disassociated.

  there are, of course, two loopholes:.

  (1) one is not shunned if living in the same household...but this works as long as one is not kicked out of their own home (like raypublisher was) or if the jw decide to leave as a consequence.. (2) one may do necessary family business..but this is open to interpretation and obviously relations are very uncomfortable and strained.. but for those two loopholes, a jw may not speak to the person shunned, not even to say hello.

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  Londo111

  I've always been somewhere in Level 4. Growing up, the kids in my hall were preps and were all about clothing. My short sleeve shirts and clip on ties weren’t good enough for them. It was difficult to reconcile being excluded from social circles with being in the ‘one true religion’, the ‘most loving’ organization on earth. In retrospect, it created allot of cognitive dissonance. Had I known TTATT, I would have found it more bearable.

  I’ve experienced Level 1 for a while, but now am in Level 3. My former best friend shook my hand at a funeral. I suppose he thought he was being gracious. Never mind he didn’t invite me to his wedding or even notify me he was moving away--I learned these things through Raging Bull, who was 'undercover' at the time. A few seconds of feigned friendliness is not love.

  I saw this video on Facebook this morning and thought it was very pertinent:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7DWX0L2goo&list=UUC2X4J6CmPJkKi-hQXZkkOg