Posts by TheUbermensch

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The general atheist meaning of life

by mankkeli in

i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

TheUbermensch

Mankkeli, where did you even get that? I find meaning in my life without the belief in God. Are you high?

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The general atheist meaning of life

by mankkeli in

i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

TheUbermensch

excellent points mankkeli

Seriously? Wow. Let me take this flaming vat of shit and dissect the "excellent points".

"When things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning"

Incorrect. Meaning is a relative term, for instance I do not find God meaningful, but you do. Does that mean that what you find meaningful is the only correct meaningful object(s)? Please. You are speaking of nihilism, a completely different subject.

"Meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others,"

Incorrect. Contradictory statement. If I say that all triangles are NOT circle-ish but say that some ARE sort of circle-ish I would sound like an idiot. You can't say that meaning is an essential part of human psychology and then say that some people don't need meaning.

"There also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything."

Partly correct The brain does find meaning for objects and existence, but a lack of a meaning in life IS a meaning. (nihilism, read up on it)

"What this thread is to address is the most commonly assumed purpose of living associated with atheism, but is rarely consciously understood: survival."

HA. You just made a generalization about millions of people throughout the world. You think that since I don't believe in God I only care about survival? Give me a break. The subconscious is not concerned with life or it's meaning, that is a conscious thought (read some psychology).

"The survival of life is the most common thing that is subconsciously assumed to be the only purpose for survival. From this perspective, things like art, music and spirituality are considered to be mere psychological needs."

They are not psychological needs they are psychological EXCERCISES. This has been proven, so there is no point to the contrary. I am an extremely passionate musician and I realize that music is an expression of my experiences.

"Though, to most it may seem like simply a depressing state of mind, it is hypothetically dangerous."

Oh please. I don't need your pity. Dangerous? Your false explanation about a mindset that you've never experienced? Do I post threads about the mindset of a Buddhist? Of course not.

." Religion may have literally evolved physically because it supports clan efforts to make sacrifices for the group even when they may not recieve something in return."

Religion couldn't have evolved physically, it is not a physical being. Are you saying that religion is socialistic at heart? O_o

"Due to this, they survived strongly as a group because they needed each other to watch out for each other. The only way they could sustain a tribe from a lack of morality in desperate times is fear of a diety, or promise of a better life, which only comes from religion."

Incorrect. If the fear of a deity had never been placed in someone's mind, but instead an extreme sense of morality (which is present in my mind, asshole, how dare you assume that atheists have no sense of mroals), then you would have much better human beings roaming the Earth. You do realize that religion creates a natural schism in human beings? You believe yourself better because you have been chosen by God, whereas I have not, because I am not worthy. That is an IMmoral thought.

"If the purpose of life is simply to survive, then there's really no reason why I shouldn't lie, cheat and steal. My instincts tell me not to, but others may come to the conclusion that their instincts need to be overridden with "reason," and that their desires should be met by whatever means necessary."

Incorrect. Your values that you place in life have nothing to do with morality. In fact, if you can be forgiven for your sins doesn't that mean that I can just go do what I want and then be forgiven again? Much more of an escape than the idea that THIS is the only life (which puts much more value in THIS life than religion does. Instictual thought has nothing to do with morality. Too much generalization for me to even discuss.

"A lot of this is subconscious, and it is part of why atheists won't succeed without first philosophizing the "whys" of life. Why not kill? Why not lie? Why not cheat? Why do any of these things if I'm not going to get something back, and especially if I'm not going to suffer consequences?"

It isn't subconscious. The subconscious does NOT deal with value. Value is a CONSCIOUS thought. Why not kill? Because I do not wish to end another person's life because it is the ONLY life. (see what I did there?) Why not cheat? Because my moral standards would make me view myself as a loser. There is law enforcement in this life... you realize this?

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Do you hate God

by Star tiger in

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i beginning to think that this would be a good way of thinking, a totally righteous being would not let all the shit that is happenning to people prevail, this being cannot have the best interests of man as his first priority, it's all about ego and no matter how the human familty suffers, he hates pretty much everyone, as the tv show says, your fired, let's get a better god, one who at least gives everyone a chance!!.

i welcome comments from god apologists, to at least have an argument as to why they put they're faith in someone that does'nt give a shit about them!.

star tiger.

TheUbermensch

I hate delusion.

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The general atheist meaning of life

by mankkeli in

i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

TheUbermensch

Wow you're a moron.

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

The fact remains that science has much to learn about dinosaurs. They do not have everything right. Unfortunately, my disgusting attitude clouded that message.

They never claimed to have everything right about the dinosaurs. They never claim to have everything right about anything. I don't understand where people get the idea that scientists ever claim to have absolute knowledge about anything.

P.S. Sorry about the gender misunderstanding.

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

ROFL! Science doesn't get dinosaurs right. They are still finding things that are very surprising. Enjoy.

But luckily, SOG does, or at least more so than people who devote their lives to the study. Oh, how he laughs at them. For HE is much more informed than they are :D

Religious arrogance at it's finest.

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List your movies thread

by dm6 in

nice to meet you!!.

i am working as a chef and i work the most ridiculous hours, so i spend a lot of free time namely after work when i go to bed, watching movies.. i have seen so many, but now i have run out of memories of movies and have seen all as far back as i can remember.. can people here name a few very awesome movies, and im not talking "oh thats nice" type of movies.

something worth the time.. i dont mind the genre, just nothing like romance, although i did like titanic having said that.. thankyou please!.

TheUbermensch

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

Fight Club

The Prestige

Damn. Forgot those ones. Great choices lohengren.

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List your movies thread

by dm6 in

nice to meet you!!.

i am working as a chef and i work the most ridiculous hours, so i spend a lot of free time namely after work when i go to bed, watching movies.. i have seen so many, but now i have run out of memories of movies and have seen all as far back as i can remember.. can people here name a few very awesome movies, and im not talking "oh thats nice" type of movies.

something worth the time.. i dont mind the genre, just nothing like romance, although i did like titanic having said that.. thankyou please!.