Posts by TheUbermensch

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The Garden of Eden = The Fertile Crescent? The Bible's Myths...

by TheUbermensch in

recently i've noticed a theory spreading around the scientific/philosophical world that the garden of eden was simply a myth of the fertile crescent.

it's sounds plausible when you actually think about it.

there are multiple different theories concerning it, but the most famous one is that the original hebrews were cast out of the area by a more powerful tribe, and doomed to live in the outside-non-civilized wild world.

TheUbermensch

Recently I've noticed a theory spreading around the scientific/philosophical world that the Garden of Eden was simply a myth of the Fertile Crescent. It's sounds plausible when you actually think about it. There are multiple different theories concerning it, but the most famous one is that the original Hebrews were cast out of the area by a more powerful tribe, and doomed to live in the outside-non-civilized wild world. By word of mouth a myth was created for why they can't live in the area that contains such great life, and thus Adam and Eve was born (the scapegoats of the Hebrew people). The guards guarding the area (angel with flaming sword can be equated with city guards of the Hittite civilization, who used bronze for their weapons, which gleamed in the sunlight as a vibrant orange) are just city guards, or something of that sort. Then the myth that they must have done something wrong, and thus the idea of original sin... and so on and so forth.

I don't believe in the theory 100%, but it is quite an interesting concept, I had sort of thought about it before, but never put the pieces together. Any other ideas concerning the Bible's myth-like qualities?

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

1 - If God does not eXist, objective moral values and duties do not eXist 2 - Objective moral values and duties do eXist 3 - Therefore, God eXists

Ahahahah... wait... what? The premise of the first statement is what exactly? Morality was given to us by an invisible creator? Where is the proof of this statement? You realize there are thousands of thousands of thousands of theses and contentions of the origination of morality?

There is a premise for Jeff's original proof, in other words there is some factual understanding that he bases the entire proof off of. The premise is that millions of children and adults die of starvation and natural disaster. Your premise is....... ?????????? So no, they are completely different.

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

SOG, you realize that Young Earth Creationism can be disproved by simple Astronomy... if the world is less than 10,000 years old, we would not be able to see any stars from more than 10,000 light years away....yet most stars are over 100,000 light years away.

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What's This Thing Called Consciousness?

by frankiespeakin in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/consciousness.

vedanta.

according to vedanta, awareness is not a product of physical processes and can be considered under four aspects.

TheUbermensch

Wow, what an excellent topic.

The ambiguity of consciousness leaves one with three options. Materialism, that the mind is simply neuron activity in the brain, or dualism, where the mind is separated from body (the soul is one concept), or in between. I choose to side with the third option. Both are extreme polar opposites, and both don't explain enough, for instance it is said that materialism can not explain how or why the brain some brain states are conscious... and the other side is dualism faces the problem of explaining how a non-physical substance or mental state can causally interact with the physical body.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/freud/

http://www.iep.utm.edu/dubois/

http://www.iep.utm.edu/xuanzang/

http://www.iep.utm.edu/husserl/

A few great articles from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

Do you not hear us say it is not by our own achievment? Oh look I found something!!!! Big fucking deal. So go find another one fool. But..but.. there isn't another one!

Temper, temper.

By the way N.Drew, Shakespeare was/is not considered a philosopher, he was a playwright/poet.

You realize there are tons of philosophers that believe in God correct? Aquinas, Kierkegaard (you'd really like Kierkegaard, he was a hardcore independent Christian that didn't subscribe to any dogmatic church, or any church at all for that matter).

sizemik, excellent usage of Kant's genius.

1495

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

Philosophy defined. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge or values based on logical reasoning.

Did I say to go to school for philosophy? I asked if you studied it. You can study it on your own... you realize that right? I just find it hilarious that someone who can't even piece together cohesive sentences is trying to tell us what a name means in the philosophical area of study.

Who are some of your favorite philosophers N.Drew?

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I'm sorry, but I have to say this re Kim Kardashian (fluff thread, sort of)...

by AGuest in

but i do so to be fair (may you all have peace!):.

if she were my daughter, and kris humphries said to her what he said to ms. kim, when she voiced her concerns (again) about not wanting to move to minnesota (which she did before getting married and he "pretended" to accept), i might tell her he's the wrong guy/man, too.

no, i don't believe in divorce "just because,"... and don't know that i would tell my daughter to divorce him (she made her bed, so to say), but.... what did he say?

TheUbermensch

Wow.....

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

And can it hold 7 billion people? If it can't do we just kill them off until we all fit?

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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

by AK - Jeff in

estimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.

that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.

still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.

TheUbermensch

Where is there one safe place on the Earth from every possible natural disaster? O_o

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What is "truth" - COULD Einstein Have Been Wrong?

by AGuest in

jw
friends

may you all have peace!.

just came across this article:.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44629271/ns/technology_and_science-science/?gt1=43001.

TheUbermensch

"Math", as we know it... might NOT work out. On a previous thread I shared something to this effect when I saw the physical realm come into existence. I heard a voice say... NOT in words of OUR world, but in words that I can only describe as some kind of "math" equations... but NOT, as somehow I understood that they were MUCH more advanced that what is at our current disposal: "Let light come to be/come into existence." Just those "words" spoken... and... omigosh... a very tiny "explosion" occurred. A "light" burst forth (from some other place)... punching through the "void"... and bringing "matter" through with it as it travelled. What I witnessed was the "birth" of that Light... coming out of a "womb". It was pure energy. It was my Lord... being "born"... from the Woman: the spirit realm. He came out of "her"... and into THIS "world"... which was a dense, black void - nothing existed in it. Not even dust particles. No sound. No air. No elements. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Like a vacuum.Yet, those words... that "equation"... resulted in that Light coming forth. We don't know the "math", dear one. We aren't even close to eventing the theories, let alone the formulas. Because what we DO know is absolutely... primitive... even prehistoric... to what I heard.

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ahhahahahahaahahhahahahahahah. Did anyone actually read this? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhh. WOW ahahhahahaha

I've never laughed so hard. And you don't claim to be an extremist AGuest? I don't even know where to start with this statement.

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