Rem:
I appreciate your responses they are interesting. I find one large gaping hole in your logic, which is apparent under a little analysis.
Yes I agree were are here, the physical is what we are and experience. And from this you deduce that all things with life must have somehow come about by a natural method not invoking any intelligence or design at all. The problem with that is you, and many who reason like you, do a complete u-turn when it comes to anything involving human intellect or design. For example: I could take you to the British museum, and show you an ancient Assyrian vase. By your reasoning we would have to assume the vast majority of artefacts in the British museum were all purely natural formations that somehow occurred over hundreds of million of years. The vase is actually just a natural form that has defied physical, and chemical degradation—and formed itself to look uncannily like and intelligent human design. You would posit that this is the only rational explanation to the existence of the vase, and to “assume” intelligent design were involved would be to assume the pink rainbow elephants made it, or the space monkeys from Pluto fashioned it. I have no way of proving the intelligent hand of man made this vase, no witnesses and zero written records for this object, so according to your logic it must have just self-created over many millions of years, right?
The same should also be assumed if we were to find a space shuttle buried deep an in ancient coal stratum. To assume an intelligent being[s] made it would be to revert back to the likes of pink elephants and dancing space munchkins would it not? You can argue that we as intelligent humans can make similar things, so why not in the past? But you also forget that the simplest known life forms are many hundreds of thousands of times more complex than our greatest creations like space shuttles and mainframe super-computers. By your own logic the more complex the more intellect needed, and in the same breath you can do a U-turn and ague that a dumb lifeless piece of clay is indisputable “the mark of intelligent human design”. Can’t you see the massive and illogical contradiction you are proposing?
Life started somehow, and we know of physical processes...Secondly, we have been able to synthesize proteinsYou are right in that we must be here by some process. But as to making proteins scientists have still not yet made any from basic chemicals. We can cheat and use the organelles of a cell to do it for us, or bacteria, but no one has yet being able to make proteins from basic chemicals without the help of an organism that already has all the complex machinery to do it. Plus the fact that in the future we may be able to make a handful of relatively simple proteins, but that will just be testament to the extreme level of intellectual technology needed to get there, how much more intelligence is needed for life itself!
Anyhow if we were to get into that, maybe a new thread on a different area would be better. I stated this thread to introduce myself and to see what people’s opinions were as to a spirit world and entities there in. It’s interesting seeing all the varied and differing points of view. I hope to have many more conversations on may subjects in the future, always wanting them to be on a civil respectful level.