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  Fear

  by Satanus in

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  here are some quotes about fear.

  i think the fear of god concept could spend some time under the microscope.

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  Interesting post. I think that part of the problem with "fear", especially of God, is the KJV translation that today would be properly translated as revere or respect. If you substitute the word respect for the word fear in Clarence Darrow's statement, it falls apart. Since Darrow was well educated, he is bound to have known that he was misusing the word.

  I think that Refiner's Fire was referring to A Course in Miracles. It holds that anger cannot be experienced unless you believe yourself capable of being harmed. That can't be unless you consider yourself merely a body. It states that of the two states, love and fear, only one is real(read permanent).

  You would enjoy Edgar Casey. He was an amazing fellow. I recommend, however, that you tackle Richard Bach first.
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  The Sins of the Father: Bible Error

  by JosephAlward in

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  joe alward .

  the bible contradicts itself in the matter of punishing children for the sins of their fathers.

  in one place is says that it is strictly forbidden, but in another the lord speaks of slaughtering sons for the sins of their forefathers, and in yet another place the lord orders the murder of suckling babes.

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  It is ridiculous to pin the responsibililty on God for the slaughter of the enemies of the Hebrews including women and children just because a bunch of Jewish editors wrote it that way. This sort of reasoning is typical of the warped JW mindset. The reason for the contradictions is well known to serious scholars. The Priestly editors combined sources from the northern area of Israel where the term for God is typically Elohim and typically referred to as the E source, with somewhat later material from the Judah area where the term for God is Jehovah and generally referred to as the J source. The minimal editing of these sources is referred to as the JE source and was supplemented by added material called the P source. Genesis 1 is from the P source. They had two much respect for the source material to edit out the inconsistances. That is why the same story gets told multiple times with different names for the characters. (e.g.-Where Abraham passes off Sarah as his sister)Those slaughted by the Hebrews were God's children, created in his image, just as much as the Hebrews were.
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  NOACHIAN FLOOD c.2370 BCE part 2

  by badboy in

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  if noah's flood was global, how come lots of people r pagan?.

  doesn't it sound reasonable that they could have a relapse into paganism so soon after the flood?

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  There was an interesting piece on T.V. several months ago (NOVA, I think) that examined a natural disaster that may well have been the basis for the Noah flood story. Seems that a natural dam that had built up over hundreds of years collaped and flooded several thousand square miles that was heavily populated for its day. The event was truy catastrophic, but local. The Jews borrowed that story from the Babylonians anyway. At the time of the flood, there were no Hebrew people, only wandering semitic herdsmen. They didn't become a people until Moses rounded up the semitic "wetbacks" of his day and welded them together during a 40 year sojourn in some very rough territory.
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  An Eye for an Eye: Bible Error

  by JosephAlward in

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  many months ago i offered the "eye for an eye" conflict as evidence that the bible cannot be trusted to provide non-contradictory moral guidance.

  since that time many new people have joined this forum, so i present this bible "difficulty" once again:.

  scripture teaches that one should destroy one's enemies, and take an eye for an eye: "show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

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  I believe that most scholars are in agreement that the line "turn the other cheek" is an aramaic idiom that means "look at things differently" and not to be taken literally. In other words, if someone attacks you, don't look at it as an attack. See it differently.
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  Where is the man who loved Jehovah so much?

  by LyinEyes in

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  i have to explain why i say this, why i miss the man who loved god so much.

  when i met my husband he was only 18 yrs old, and so deligent to serve jehovah.

  we were both so much alike, we loved our god, but also deep down, loved what the world had to offer.

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  I envy you your mate, and envy him you. How fortunate you are!
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  JW's knowledgeable in details

  by jurs in

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  when i was a jw i was so impressed with all the research into even the tiniest of details.

  i couldn't believe how smart the brothers were!!

  even when i left i thought i at least i learned the bible and bible trivia well.

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  Hey Guys! It really isn't worth it!. The operative word was TRIVIA! That having been said, I have learned to be more than a little suspicious of information put out by tour guides. Even when they get it right, it is often heard incorrectly by their listeners. If you go to Jerusalem today, the tour guides will show you a very small gate in the old wall called the "eye of the needle"and tell you that this is the gate that Jesus referred to when he used the illustration of how hard it is for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven. The truth, however, is that, in aramaic, the root word for hemp (rope) and camel is the same. The greeks who were translating the original story in aramaic mistranslated the word as camel instead of rope. What the hell! Tour guides have to make a living too, I guess.
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  What was the

  by footprints in

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  what was the ostfriesland?

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  A battleship in the German Navy during world war II.
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  Was the catholic church an Enemy of scripture?

  by gumby in

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  does the print in bold type remind you guys of another organisation you can think of??????????

  was the catholic church an avowed enemy of scripture

  was it really fear of false doctrine that caused the church to object to the scriptures being in the hands of the laity?

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  I'm not aware of many protestant churches that accept the Catholic canon of the scriptures. Most protestant bible use the Masoretes text rather than the Septuagint. Although not a catholic, I prefer the Jerusalem bible which is of catholic origen and has a number of extra books that the protestant bibles I grew up with didn't have.
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  Our Lives Are Worthless

  by Undecided in

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  i've been in a strange mood lately.

  i keep thinking what difference does anything matter.

  in a few years we will all be dead anyway and anything we did won't amount to anything.

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  Sidd is right. You mustn't take life too seriously. It won't last. Try this:

  Find a quiet place and sit well back in a straight back chair. Both feet on the floor.

  Close your eyes and begin to relax. Become very aware of your breath

  Let your inhalation flow into your exhalation and vice versa. Notice how cool you inhalation is and how warm your exhaltion is.

  If your mind wanders, bring it back to your breath. If it helps, repeat to yourself over and over, "I am created in the image and likeness of God". Do this for about 10 minutes. You'll feel a lot better.
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  THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

  by Muslim in

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  the expansion of the universe .

  the expansion of the universe is the most imposing discovery of modern science.

  today it is a firmly established concept and the only debate centres around the way this is taking place.

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  You seem to be a little up tight there, Muslim!