adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
// Luke 3:38 - "Kenan was the son of Enosh. Enosh was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God ."
Romans 8:14 - " For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God."
Galatians 3:26 - "For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 4:6 - " Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father."//
Okay. Fair enough. Thanks.
You do take it literally then...
adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
// Eden one, your explination makes no sense, there was never a FIRST HUMAN just as there was no FIRST ITALIAN speaker, over time genes like words mutated.//
Great anology!
Stealing this one... really good. Language is a great example of complex grammar coming from an evolution of language.
adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
// For millions of years God watched predators eat prey using incredible violence and bloodbath. Why do you call it the 'natural cycle' and don't say that God is a moral monster based on THAT?//
I actually DO say God is a moral monster based on that.
adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
Okay, here's me trying to get my questions organized:
1) — What was the purpose of creating then testing these 'new' humans?
2) — Why would an Almighty God create a "slightly improved copy of the existing specimens of their time?"
3) — Was God's Only Son a corresponding ransom to a "slightly improved copy of the existing specimen of their time", or was he perfect?
4) — If you " don't think they were fully aware of the consequences their disobedience would have", where is God's love for punishing them, and all humanity along with them?
5) — About that, how does God's justice work, that the non-adamic descendants are under the curse of Adam's sin?
adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
May I ask where do you get the origin of this idea of "sonship"? And why was a sonship needed?
It seems to me this would make the whole idea of salvation redundant.
Jehovah could have simply created this 'new' couple perfect with no need to test them — but then again, why would he have permitted this couple to mix with the "imperfect" branches of humans.
adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
I'm still just commenting on this thread, because I want to make something clear.
I totally understand the need — yes, NEED — to make an attempt at uniting evolution and the A&E story.
If there is no A&E and first sin — Jesus' sacrifice is moot. Useless.
All the while the evidence for evolution is undeniable.
But what am trying to do here is understand how one can rationalize such idea presented in the OP.
It seems obvious that this idea is not working — for a plethora of reasons and logic...
Not only is it not working, but there is no root reference to anything that would make it worthy of discussing.
No reference, no evidence, no logic... this makes this hypothesis unfounded.
That's my problem here.
I am not undermining EdenOne's work on the subject.
I'm arguing that it's not a viable path of reasoning.
adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
"you may ask pretty please ten times; I will only answer when I have time for it. I've working today - since 4 am - as I am every day, btw."
You did take time to answer — just not to that. It was a yes or no answer.
"just an attempt at a viable conciliation between the Bible and what science has established so far."
That was my issue. You are trying to paste it all together — but "viable" it is not.
It's okay to disagree. It's okay to offer a hypothesis.
Just do so based on more than a hunch... offer some reference.
Thats all I was saying.
maybe i'm the bad guy after all.
my mom and sis love me and still talk to me, although i'm clearly an apostate.
their loophole?
Thank you all. :)
I will just take a break... I need a long one. I'm doing the same with my Facebook.
Taking care of things...
:)
maybe i'm the bad guy after all.
my mom and sis love me and still talk to me, although i'm clearly an apostate.
their loophole?
True.
I just need to stay away from forums.
Not good at this. I can't empathize with everyone.
Obviously.
maybe i'm the bad guy after all.
my mom and sis love me and still talk to me, although i'm clearly an apostate.
their loophole?
"The secret of giving advice is to be completely indifferent if it is taken or not" - Hannah Whitall Smith
My problem is that the advice is shut off, so it can't be taken or left.
I used up all my patience and empathy. I have become cold — I have no respect for nonesense anymore.
There is nothing that triggers my bipolarism more than all this shit.
So I'm out.
Thanks to all those who argued kindly, to those who commented and added to constructive debate.
Fuck all the others.
