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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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If someone writes a book which deals with a time and place no one has ever heard about which describes the culture, place names, peoples names and many other things totally unknown prior to this writing, which later is confirmed to be accurate in EVERY WAY...FLAWLESS!!! Is that evidence that someone has a inspired knowledge which no one can explain!
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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Labels don't determine validity. Just because some jewish sects as well as the early apostate church declared certain writings spurious, does not tell the whole story and I will develop that evidence as time allows. Try to keep an open mind. The book of Enoch had been lost for a time ..or at least misplaced but was rediscovered in the late 18th century. If someone was able to produce the volume with the same or nearly same content without source material and completely independent of all other times and places....would you consider that evidence of inspiration. That is, if someone wrote a book claiming it to be the book of Enoch yet did it in a time the book was not known or available.....and said it contained the same doctrine and ideas as extant in the original, and when the two were compared that they matched almost perfectly in doctrine, is that a valid argument for a inspired type evidence which cannot be explained by any other known means?
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Bertrand Russell and Religion
by Valis inmaybe some didn't get to this thread, but i thought all would enjoy the thoughts of bertrand russell on religion....one of my faves... .
sincerely,.
district overbeer
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Philosophy complicates, The religion of Christ simplifies........
You like complicated situations? I don't think so.....but when we're sitting on our butts (as "ALL" philosophers spend most of their time doing) It's easy to be complicated. But when we want to accomplish something in our lives we want it to be simple. So go ahead and admire the "GRTEAT" philosophers.......they could care less about you!
QUANTUM IS THE ABSOLUTE GREATEST!!!!!!
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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If we say GOD is a GOD of order then everything He has put His hand in should demonstrate this. all things should make sence and if Christ said that "all things testify of ME" then there should be some evidence we can find. The stars are one and I'll give you the resources for more of those evidences when were done here. for now I am building a portfolio for examination.
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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this thread will just act as a source of "some" truth if you ever want to wake up grave d. It will be here for your perusal.
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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History. The Book of Enoch was dropped from the Jewish scriptures shortly after Christ, most likely because it apparently referred to him as the Messiah. It was quoted as scripture by the early Christian Church fathers until the middle of the third century A.D., accepted as a divine work having been written by Enoch himself. It then fell into disrepute and was banned from the canon of scripture in the fourth century, partly because it didn't agree with how Christianity came to be redefined after the death of the apostles.
The book also doubtlessly raised questions with its unusual imagery, referring to things such as "the stone which supports the corners of the earth" and "the four winds, which bear up the earth" (Enoch 18:2 ). That may have sounded primitive to the sophisticated science of the fourth century, but that is the same imagery used by many great prophets. For example, John the Revelator states, "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth" (Rev. 7:1; compare imagery of Isa. 11:12, Jer. 49:36, Ezek. 37:9, Dan. 7:2, Mat. 24:31). As is discussed later in this article, often what appears to be primitive science in the scriptures turns out to be the sophisticated concepts of God simplified for us. Note that the prophets have 100% chance of success when predicting the weather, so those angels may have more to do with the wind than we might suppose.
Thus, for a variety of reasons, the Book of Enoch was systematically purged from the scriptures until it became a "lost book" of the Bible. In 1773 the famous explorer James Bruce discovered it in Ethiopia (then called Abyssinia), and brought back three copies. Fortunately, the Ethiopians had kept it in their Bible, where it was located immediately after the Book of Job.
One of the three copies was presented to the Oxford library. The first English translation was published in 1821 by Archbishop Richard Laurence, who had been a Professor of Hebrew at Oxford. Later translations included that of George Schodde in 1881, of R.H. Charles in 1913, and by E. Isaac in 1983. The first three translations are now available on the internet. Quotations and links in this article are to the original Laurence translation, because it still appears to be the best overall translation.
Date of Origin. Modern scholars, beginning with Laurence, all date the origin of the book to the first or second century before Christ, hence it is assigned to the "pseudepigrapha," meaning it is not believed to have been written by the named author. It is dated using standard "scholarly" methods. One rule of dating used by modern scholars, is that if anything is prophesied which turns out to be correct, it must have been written after the event, because otherwise the author would really have to have been a prophet! This complete rejection of the entire concept of revelation forced Laurence to put the authorship of the Book of Enoch extremely late because he saw that it prophesied not only the existence of Parthia (250 B.C.), but even the reign of King Herod the Great, which began in 37 B.C. On the other hand, it was quoted by the Savior and his apostles so it must have been written before their time. Thus Laurence inferred that the book had been written "before the rise of Christianity; most probably at an early period of the reign of Herod. More modern scholarship has concluded that the book was probably written by several authors over the period of about 180-64 B.C. This extremely recent authorship date of course raises the question of how such a late forgery could have been so totally accepted as genuine in just a few decades, which has never been adequately explained.
In this article, let us consider the outrageous possibility that the work was actually originally written by the prophet Enoch long before the Great Flood and contains many genuine revelations. It probably also contains some interpolations of men, and has suffered from mistakes introduced by the many hand-made transcriptions. But for the purposes of this article, when it says that an angel revealed to Enoch a divine calendar, those statements will be taken at face value. One scientific way to test a hypothesis is to assume it is true and examine the consequences
I am not copying and pasting a book here but I obviously am doing some copying and pasting from several sources. It's less time consuming thanto write all this information out which might not hold as much weight. When I have completed this exersize I'll give you all of the refrences.
The scholarship behind all of these posts is all verifiable and can be compared to many other agreeable sources.
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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Jesus Christ quoted often from the Book of Enoch, indirectly testifying of its authenticity. Now it has been discovered that Enoch returns the favor because the key dates in the life of Christ are "holy days" on the Enoch Calendar. Thus, Enoch, who prophesied of the Elect One, indirectly witnessed that the Messiah would be none other than Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ and his apostles quoted from the Book of Enoch (also called 1 Enoch) as authentic scripture. It was once in the Bible and was accepted as having been written by Enoch himself, the majestic antediluvian prophet who was translated into heaven without tasting death (Heb. 11:5). During the Third and Fourth Centuries A.D. the book fell into disfavor and was removed from sacred canon, destined to become one of the "lost books" of the Bible. It was rediscovered in 1773 in Ethiopia and is now readily available in English, but is still largely unappreciated. Before looking at the calendar it describes, let us briefly review how it contains doctrines or phrases of the Savior, which are apparently examples of the Savior quoting Enoch.
Christ Quotes Enoch
The one direct quote in the New Testament is by Jude, a brother of Jesus Christ:
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
"To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." (Jude 1:14-15, quoting Enoch 1:9 {2:1} [1].)
While that is the only referenced quotation in the Bible, there are many indirect references which involve striking similarities. The scholar and translator R.H. Charles declared, "The influence of 1 Enoch on the New Testament has been greater than that of all the other apocryphal and pseudepigraphical books taken together."[2] Another expert noted that "Its influence is apparent in no less than 128 places in the New Testament."[3] The following table compares a few from the introduction to Archbishop Richard Laurence's original translation [4], in which the Savior apparently alludes to the Book of Enoch.Jesus Christ Enoch Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (Mat 5:5) The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth. (Enoch 5:7 {6:9}) the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son (John 5:22). the principal part of the judgment was assigned to him, the Son of man. (Enoch 69:27 {68:39}) shall inherit everlasting life (Mat. 19:29) those who will inherit eternal life (Enoch 40:9 {40:9}) "Wo unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. (Luke 6:24) Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed. (Enoch 94:8 {93:7}). Ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Mat. 19:28) I will place each of them on a throne of glory (Enoch 108:12 {105:26}) Woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Mat. 26:24) Where will the habitation of sinners be . . . who have rejected the Lord of spirits. It would have been better for them, had they never been born. (Enoch 38:2 {38:2}) between us and you there is a great gulf fixed. (Luke 16:26) by a chasm . . . [are] their souls are separated (Enoch 22: 9,11{22:10,12}) In my Father's house are many mansions (John 14:2) In that day shall the Elect One sit upon a throne of glory, and shall choose their conditions and countless habitations. (Enoch 45:3 {45:3}) that ye may be called the children of light (John 12:36) the good from the generation of light (Enoch 108:11 {105: 25}) the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. (John 4:14) all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy. (Enoch 48:1 {48:1})
I intend to take this slowly so everyone who is interested can keep up with it
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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Ok, for me to believe in something, like religion, it has to offer more than just empty promises. I like solid evidenceFirst.then I can start the faith Thing later.
I sincerely believe that there is OVER WHELMING EVIDENCE for the existence of GOD who has made Himself known and continues to do so and not in some esoteric, indefinable way. If I offer just one or two proofs or evidence the discussion, as far as Im concerned can end here. But I also feel that making grand pronouncements that one has the right to dream up their own belief system is equally invalid for a discussion such as this. Everyone has a right to conscience and what they choose to believe. That is another thread.
Here, I propose to offer evidence for a certain religious persuasion, I also believe that the evidence cannot be refuted out of hand but should be given a fair hearing. For instance, if someone claimed that Moses lived in a bright pink house and had a rose garden in his back yard and a recent archeological find verified that, then the one making the claim must have received that bit of information from other than normal sources.
In addition, that GOD has put into place a particular plan , which we are the most important part of. Also verifiable with solid evidence. When all of the evidence is in then the shear weight should be enough for any truth seeker to try and learn more. And lets not be confused about this evidenceit will not be a slanted version or interpretation of the Bible like so many of you have finally run away from. Q!
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More Than You "MAY" Know
by QUANTUM ini thought that maybe some may want to see another side of the argument of god verses secularism / evolution verses creationism.
im not interested in the fact that many have lost their religious fervor and become atheists or invented their own belief system, or still accept the bible but with a different twist.
my intention is to make as strong of an argument as i can for the existence of a particular god, who i believe we all once knew and may be privileged to know again.
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be back later......try to behave you'all
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