Francios:
Paul, in speaking on the resurrection, refers to the different qualities of flesh as follows: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, and another of fishes, and another of birds. (1 Cor. 15:38-39.)[KJV] These different qualities seem to be inherent in the several species, as much so as the properties of silver, gold, copper, iron, and other minerals are inherent in the matter in which they are contained, whilst herbs, according to their kind, possess their specific properties, or as the leading properties of earth, air, and water, are distinct from one another; and hence, on physiological grounds, this principle being admitted, and it cannot be controverted, it would be impossible to take the tissues of the lower, or, indeed, of any order of fishes, and make of them an ox, a bird, or a man; as impossible as it would be to take iron and make it into gold, silver, or copper, or to produce any other changes in the laws which govern any kind of matter. Self initiated doctrine, which is not remotely found in the BIble, which completely ignores all the revealed truth, is simply a caving in to secularism and their bumbling and forever changing theories. Are GODS ways different or greater than our ways.......The contention I have always had with JW's is their incredible lack of understanding the DOCTRINE of FAITH which is so COMMANDINGLY stated in the Bible I can hardly believed it could be so disregared or over looked. Their is hardly a thing which is upon this earth that cannot be compared to every other thing. Ones eyes are blue like the sky...does that make us related? in some ways it does. but even Darwin was worried that many of the things he saw in nature did not add up. The list is long and I will not produce it here. It also seems to be an inherrent problem with ex JW's that they can't fully break away from the falacious doctrines that the WTS brainwashed them to begin with. To know the things of GOD cannot be known simply by reading the Bible. I refer you to one scriptures which will lead you to the many possibilities. {JAMES 1:5} As far as GOD putting a little spec like a very small computer chip in something like DNA, which somehow contolled evolution, is an off the wall concept demonstating the "foolishness of man"...pure fiction with no regard to the available science or Biblical evidences. Facts never change, but the inferences from them are changeable. The careful man does not become so enamored of an hypothesis or a theory that he cannot distinguish it from a fact. Theories of science can no more overthrow the facts of religion than the facts of science. One cannot build a faith upon the theory of evolution, for this theory is of no higher order than any other inference, and is therefore in a state of constant change.
The theory of evolution as presently taught posits that higher forms of life arose gradually from lower stages of living matter. Inheritable genetic changes in offspring are assumed to be spontaneous rather than the result of arranged or directed forces external to the system.
This theory conflicts with a basic law of chemistry, the second law of thermodynamics, which states in part that it is not possible for a spontaneous process to produce a system of higher order than the system possessed at the beginning of the change.
An example of a spontaneous process is a boulder that dislodges from a mountaintop and rolls down the mountain. The only way to get the boulder back up the mountain (thereby increasing its height, or the order of the system) is for energy outside the system to be expendedsuch as someone directing the process by seeing that the rock is carried up the mountain.
We see improved strains and varieties of plants and animals developed through judicious selection of their parents. But we would have to agree with those who understand the limitation defined in the second law of thermodynamics limitation that such changes can only occur if guided or if outside energy is available to improve the system.
I believe all of those scriptures that pertain to the creation of man. But the decision to believe is a spiritual one, not made solely by an understanding of things physical, for we read that the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. ( 1 COR. 2:14)
It is incumbent upon each informed and spiritually attuned person to help overcome such foolishness of men who would deny divine creation or think that man simply evolved. By the Spirit, we perceive the truer and more believable wisdom of God.
As for your ignorance about "ORDER"...... Many verses can be quoted where GOD is instructing someone to..." put their house in order......set in order....to be done in order....etc.,etc,....anyone using a grain of brain matter would conclude that if GOD wants us to be orderly in conducting our affairs it's because HE does and is. Like I said, I jumped the fence and didn't read all of the posts but I think I have a handle on them now. Finally, I will conclude this tome with a remark about the Atonement which someone else brought into the discussion. What a strange phenomenon! Why does it seem that the most important principle of our existence is almost totally misunderstood or at best, ignored? It is as if someone had died and left us a bequest in which we have no interest, since accepting it would entail a change in our life-style.
Through the centuries, while heated controversy and debate have raged over evolution, atheism, the sacraments, the Trinity, authority, predestination, faith and works, etc., there has been virtually no argument or discussion at all about the meaning of the Atonement. Why were there no debates or pronouncements in the synods? People either do not care enough or do not know enough even to argue about it. In matters of atonement, the scriptures engage us in a very serious, thoughtful, and lifelong project; but the minimal involvement which makes for popular religion plainly shows that something has been removed which has caused the Gentiles to stumble. It was known from the beginning that the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehend[eth] it not. ( JOHN 1:5 ) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. ( JOHN 1:10-11)
So why bother with this hopelessly unpopular doctrine? Because there are always some who do accept it: But as many as received him, to them he gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. { JOHN 1: 12-13}
That makes them the children of God before they lived in the flesh, and what more consummate at-one-ment than to resume their status as sons of God? For their sake, it was all worth it. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. { JOHN 15:24} The Atonement makes it possible for all men everywhere to live again with there Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Not all will be worthy of this gift but some will. { It will be a great many more than the false doctrine of 144,000 preached by the Anti Christ..WTS.}I myself am in real danger because of my propensity for sarcasm. The Bible is one of the spring boards which help us understand the mysteries of GOD but I assure you there are others. QUANTUM
