Posts by ScenicViewer

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Statue of Marsyas died on a stake?

by enigma1863 in

so jws have been spreading this picture around claiming it supports the roman torture stake belief.

this is the statue of marsyas the satyr, a greek mythical creature.

he lost a challenge to apollo and was flayed.

ScenicViewer

...wouldn't this show evidence that the stake was of pagan origin as well?

It sure would. Watchtower has stated that Jesus was actually murdered because of unfair violations of procedure at his trial. If the cross would not have been used to execute Jesus because it is pagan, as Watchtower says, are we to believe that the torture stake is a Christian instrument of murder? There is no such thing.

Stakes and crosses were both used by pagan societies in the first century. One is no more Christian than the other.

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"do not go beyond the things written"

by stuckinarut2 in

thanks to bu2b and splash who mentioned this quote in another thread!.

but i thought it deserved a thread all of its own, such is the impact of this:.

the very best example of going beyond the things written comes from a 2008 watchtower.

ScenicViewer

I believe this is what is known as hypocrisy.

You get a like!

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"do not go beyond the things written"

by stuckinarut2 in

thanks to bu2b and splash who mentioned this quote in another thread!.

but i thought it deserved a thread all of its own, such is the impact of this:.

the very best example of going beyond the things written comes from a 2008 watchtower.

ScenicViewer

There was a video posted here...where a reporter jumped into one of the GB's face while he was exiting a convention stage and asked a couple of questions.

It's at about the 4 min, 10 sec mark. The reporter asked questions about the pedophilia problem of JWs, and the Society's list of offenders. Ted Jaracz, not wanting to address the reporters pointed questions, replied by saying 'We don't go beyond the things that are written.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdtPIR6Q_MA

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"do not go beyond the things written"

by stuckinarut2 in

thanks to bu2b and splash who mentioned this quote in another thread!.

but i thought it deserved a thread all of its own, such is the impact of this:.

the very best example of going beyond the things written comes from a 2008 watchtower.

ScenicViewer

So typical of Watchtower leadership. Always pretending to follow Bible rules and guidelines, but all the while making up their own.

I believe that when a person begins to see through that they have taken the first step toward leaving the organization.

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Fornicate and keep quiet, is it possible for a Governing Body member?

by John Aquila in

do you think any of the members of the governing body have at one time in their lives committed an immoral sex act but never confessed?

remember leo greenlees.

fornication, adultery or something else?

ScenicViewer

This thread has the whole Rutherford / Berta / Bonnie story, with it's details.

Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie (redux), by Leolaia who reconstructed a lost post by Farkel.

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Fornicate and keep quiet, is it possible for a Governing Body member?

by John Aquila in

do you think any of the members of the governing body have at one time in their lives committed an immoral sex act but never confessed?

remember leo greenlees.

fornication, adultery or something else?

ScenicViewer

The Society admits, in a very general way, that even people that have been "prominent in Jehovah's organization" have committed every kind of immorality there is - homosexuality, wife swapping, child molesting.

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Fornicate and keep quiet, is it possible for a Governing Body member?

by John Aquila in

do you think any of the members of the governing body have at one time in their lives committed an immoral sex act but never confessed?

remember leo greenlees.

fornication, adultery or something else?

ScenicViewer

Several years ago the Society published that if an elder commits a serious sin, and keeps it quiet for 2 or 3 years, he doesn't need to be removed as an elder even if the sin is discovered later.

Governing Body members would get at least that much leniency.

Here it is from the Kingdom Ministry. It involves a discussion of what "some years ago" and "distant past" means. The terms can mean as little as 2 or 3 years.

(Kingdom Ministry - October, 1972)

Here it is again, several years later, re-affirmed in the Elder's Manual

(Shepherd The Flock of God, p38. [2010 Elder's Manual])

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California Supreme Court Case - S226656

by Gayle in

jw
friends

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

started 5/27/2015.

ScenicViewer

666 State Street

Yes, that is very funny. Watchtower's explanation of 666 has something to do with falling short of perfection times three (7 is perfect). Maybe their attorney's will fall short of perfection too, times three for emphasis!

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Is it possible to use this thread to compile watchtowers Armageddon illustrations

by jambon1 in

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friends

i was informed today by a jw that the watchtower doesn't use images and propaganda to instil fear.

i would really like to see a compilation of all their armageddon illustrations.

maybe a thread or web page already exists that had this content.. the one i am really wanting is the most recent picture of the witnesses in the basement during the tribulation.. this will be a massive help so thank you..

ScenicViewer

In the basement photo above, the caption raises a point of contradiction (on Watchtower's part) to me. It says....

During the "great tribulation," we will need to remain closely associated with our local congregation

It's a contradiction because Watchtower took away the arrangement for doing just that, the Congregation Book Study. One of the prime reasons the Book Study was started was to have an organized meeting arrangement for times of persecution.

In an assembly wrap-up article in 1953 the Watchtower said....

“Then followed another meaty five-part symposium: “The Value of the Congregational Book Study.” Strategic location is important because of its being a service center; its conductor must set a good example in field service and be kind and patient. It serves as a training ground for new ones, to start out in the field and speak up at meetings. It is of special value in times of bans when only small groups can come together.” (W 10-1-53 p591)

Watchtower has long said that the great tribulation is just around the corner. In the past the leadership at least acted like they believed it. Now it's just empty words, and tribulation images are nothing more than blatant scare tactics.

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Is it possible to use this thread to compile watchtowers Armageddon illustrations

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

i was informed today by a jw that the watchtower doesn't use images and propaganda to instil fear.

i would really like to see a compilation of all their armageddon illustrations.

maybe a thread or web page already exists that had this content.. the one i am really wanting is the most recent picture of the witnesses in the basement during the tribulation.. this will be a massive help so thank you..