I remember the first time I was at a meeting where a written review was taken. I thought, 'You have to take tests in this religion?' I should have seen that as a red flag and run far and fast!
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When did this "written review" idea get started?
by james_woods infor some reason, i simply cannot remember any written review being done and graded in all my jw time (1962 to about 1980).. have i completely forgotten this, or did it get started after i had left?.
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Witnessing WatchTower weasel words first hand
by darthfader ini don't have the stomach to read much of their literature lately, but it seems to me that every article i read was loaded with weasel words.
is this still their mo?
for an interesting set of examples, i looked up the following wikipedia article on weasel words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/weasel_word.
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Reading that list is like reading the Watchtower's "the Bible conclusively proves" remarks.
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"We needed to use the library"... and other wacky Watchtower excuses.
by cedars ini'm sure we're all familiar with the crazy excuse that the watch tower society leadership came up with to justify their nine year period as a un ngo (non governmental organization).
amazingly, this seems to make perfect sense with watch tower apologists, who don't stop for a moment to ponder the following:.
you don't need to be a un ngo to use the un libraryif it was so innocent for them to hold un ngo status just to use the library, why did they withdraw their status when the issue received media attention?that aside, we are now witnessing the unravelling of fresh scandals to hit the society, most notably:.
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A few of my favorite lame excuses:
Another one, and one of my favorites,
-- We are stopping magazine subscriptions, not to save on mailing costs, but so you will have one more good reason to get to meetings...to get your magazines!
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The WT, the Millerites and Orson Wells
by Aussie Oz init is well known of course that ct russell was a fan of william miller and the mans teachings.
indeed his colaboration with millerite nelson barbour cemented russells love of all that was millerism.. i recall some time ago a thread wherin it was mentioned that fred franz had a library stuffed full of millerite books and so on, and that he himself modeled his own style of address and writing after william miller himself.. with that sort of impact on the doctrines and teaching methods adopted by the society at that time, i am also wondering about orson wells book 1984.. could it be plausable that this book also has its place on the shelves of some locked away private library?
published in 1949, the wt leadership has had plenty of time to study the methods of the novel and try them out.
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I did a check of the Index to early WatchTowers. Haven't had time to look these up, but there are several references to Miller and Second Adventism.
(The numbers refer to pages and paragraphs from the WatchTower Reprints)
Second Adventists
- Fulfill part of parable of ten virgins, 3868: 3-5
- In regard to meeting with, 1070: 16; 1070: 1-3
- Correct view of teachings of, 719: 1-4, 10
- Leading error of, 469: 6,7
- Part of, in contributing to present truth, 3821: 7
William Miller
- Faith in Christ’s appearing, 480: 5-8
- Movement began in 1844, 288: 9
- Significance of, 87: 11-13; 5718: 2-4 -
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"We needed to use the library"... and other wacky Watchtower excuses.
by cedars ini'm sure we're all familiar with the crazy excuse that the watch tower society leadership came up with to justify their nine year period as a un ngo (non governmental organization).
amazingly, this seems to make perfect sense with watch tower apologists, who don't stop for a moment to ponder the following:.
you don't need to be a un ngo to use the un libraryif it was so innocent for them to hold un ngo status just to use the library, why did they withdraw their status when the issue received media attention?that aside, we are now witnessing the unravelling of fresh scandals to hit the society, most notably:.
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@ Rebel8
Very nice musical rendition of Watchtower excuses. Now I've got the 12 days of Christmas going through my mind!
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"We needed to use the library"... and other wacky Watchtower excuses.
by cedars ini'm sure we're all familiar with the crazy excuse that the watch tower society leadership came up with to justify their nine year period as a un ngo (non governmental organization).
amazingly, this seems to make perfect sense with watch tower apologists, who don't stop for a moment to ponder the following:.
you don't need to be a un ngo to use the un libraryif it was so innocent for them to hold un ngo status just to use the library, why did they withdraw their status when the issue received media attention?that aside, we are now witnessing the unravelling of fresh scandals to hit the society, most notably:.
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The question is - what excuse could it possibly concoct as to why it didn't comply with such a simple law?
In response to the UN scandal, I believe the Society made the excuse that 'the requirements were changed,' and implied that as soon as they found out they disassociated from NGO status. (In reality the requirements did not change.)
They may try the same tactic with regard to the WWC Act, claiming it didn't apply to them, but then it was changed.
Or perhaps they will say the law still doesn't apply to them, but "to be a 'shining example' to the world we decided to comply anyway, and doesn't this give us one more reason brothers to align ourselves with God's clean, earthly organization today!"
Regarding the toxic waste, they may say it was perfectly legal to dump at the time, therefore they are not in violation. Their responsibility to avoid 'ruining the earth,' whether legal or not, will be ignored of course.
Spin meisters never run out of something to say. And followers who refuse to investigate and think for themselves will will be happy to swallow all of it.
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"We needed to use the library"... and other wacky Watchtower excuses.
by cedars ini'm sure we're all familiar with the crazy excuse that the watch tower society leadership came up with to justify their nine year period as a un ngo (non governmental organization).
amazingly, this seems to make perfect sense with watch tower apologists, who don't stop for a moment to ponder the following:.
you don't need to be a un ngo to use the un libraryif it was so innocent for them to hold un ngo status just to use the library, why did they withdraw their status when the issue received media attention?that aside, we are now witnessing the unravelling of fresh scandals to hit the society, most notably:.
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Love your posts Cedars. You always seem to hit the nail right on the head.
The library response by Watchtower was probably the most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard. It's what a child would say. I don't know if there is anything that can top that.
Whatever the Society comes up with it will involve some serious spin, and likely something about staying off the internet, and probably something about 'God's clean people' being persecuted. JWs themselves, most of whom won't know one iota of truth regarding the matter, will be in complete denial and say 'they make that stuff up to mke us look bad.'
One elder I know once said to the congregation, "Never go on the internet and look up information about Jehovah's Witnesses because all you will find is pure garbage." I guess in this instance we did find 'pure garbage,' in the form of toxic waste.
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unbelievable
by truthseeker1969 inwell here i am in the uk cold and windy but happy to see 'home' for a few weeks.. bought me and ipad to keep in touch.. was greeted by my family like i had never left all active witnesses and all aware i no longer believe, they have the blood thicker than water attitude.. my oldest sister tells me that the elders were 'asking about you' and that she accidentally said i would be visiting.. keep in mind that i left 17 years ago and they are still waiting to see how they can de-humiliate themselves for what they did and i guess they will never give up.
i sat there thinking, shepered the flock?
what is it about elders and getting even and revenge?
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Ok, this is funny. If you get any feedback through your relatives, after the elders come up empty handed on the 20th, let us know! I cant imagine why they think they can track you down and get you to meet with them after 17 years. Unreal.
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I Received the "Call" - Praise JAH!
by AGuest inand so it's back to work... on monday, jan. 9th!
for those of you who rejoice with me (the greatest of love and peace to you!)...
i am just a tad saddened.
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I am truly sorry if my presence and participation causes you ... ummmmm... undue (IMHO) concern or consternation.
Congrats on getting the work! I didn't always agree with everything you said, but I wasn't all that consternated by it either.
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Whistleblower Watchtowers Dump
by Marvin Shilmer inwhistleblower watchtowers dump.
today i added a new article to my blog sharing the whistleblowers letter to new yorks department of environmental conservation (dec) disclosing watchtowers pollution sites and incidents related to it.
my article is titled whistleblower watchtowers dump and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/12/whistleblower-watchtowers-dump.html.
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I've written a blog article on this at the following link...
Congratulations Cedars, your new blog site looks great! I'm sure I will be a frequent visitor.
Question, How does one sign up to leave a comment there? I scanned it quickly and couldn't find it.