Ah Hah:
...Compare those verses also with their context in John 16:7 and also John 14:16,17,25,26. These words of Christ are generally understood to refer to the Holy Spirit. Depending on your understanding, the holy spirit is either God's power or part of God's very being.
Yes, I am aware of the verses you quoted above...and they do apply to God's Holy Spirit, I agree. But not a part of God's very being. (Of course, you are welcome to BELIEVE what ever viewpoint you wish to hold. I simply won't debate this...I haven't the time.)
But I'll say for now, that I understand these verses, to refer to God's Active Force, or God's Holy Spirit, the "spirit of the truth."
However, consider this:
Proverbs 8:22-31 discusses "wisdom," as a "masterworker," who was "produced by Jehovah...earlier than the earth." It discusses "wisdom" that "came to be beside" God, and that "came to be the one that He [God] became especially fond of..."
Wisdom is even said to have been "glad before Him," "day by day." And that this "wisdom" also was especially "fond of the sons of men," upon earth." -- Proverbs 8:22-31
Could this verse be describing something, someone beyond, the quality itself of "Wisdom," Do you think?
Many believe this to be so...many believe this to be referring to Jesus, PERSONIFIED AS WISDOM, personified as a "quality," a "quality," here, in these verses. Though, the verses do not come out and say so point blank. But it is strongly inferred here, as many believe.
So, in this instance, many, feel these verses are pictorial of the pre-human existence of Jesus Christ, God's Son.
Could this be so?
What do you say?
Also, at Isaiah 14;12-20 "Lucifer", the "Shinning One", the one who wants "make himself resemble the Most High God" and place his "throne in the heavens above," -- still is referred to and commonly thought to be described in these verses, as an earthly "dynasty of kings," earthly kings, and not Satan himself, in scripture. But, on the other hand, many also see this biblical passage, to show a very close correlation between the mindset and activity of Satan, himself... a close correlation then, between the two, Satan and the earthly kings... could it be somehow prophetic of the two?
Could both ideals, concepts be true, in essence?
The same with Ezekiel 28:12-17. Here, the Bible speaks of the "anointed cherub" of God, "beautiful" in appearance, who was in the "garden of God," but who later "became haughty." Some say this refers (as verse 12 clearly alludes to) the "king of Tyre," but still, others say these verses are clearly pictorial of Satan too. Is it possible, both viewpoints could be true?
Could we be dealing with the same type of situation in John 16th chapter... could we?
Could the passage clearly refer to God's "holy spirit," His active force, but also, could it be, pictorial of someone else, someone's personal "activity" on earth? Someone's ministry? A Human's Activity?
For instance, I noticed, in your list of scriptures dealing with John the 16th chapter, you SKIPPED verse 15.
Why not discuss this one.
It says:
"That one [Spirit of Truth] will glorify me [Jesus], because he will RECEIVE FROM IS MINE and will declare it to you."
Question: How does the Holy Spirit of God, God's Active Force, "RECEIVE FROM WHAT IS MINE [that which belongs to Jesus]"?
In fact, how does the Holy Spirit "Receive" ANYTHING FROM JESUS?
How does this take place, if this verse applies EXCLUSIVELY and TOTALLY to God's Active Spirit, alone?
Again, How Does God's Active Force "receive" anything from Jesus, God's Son?
Any thoughts?
MDS