Posts by MacHislopp

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UN-NGO

by ransek in

jw
friends

i have a question to all of those who have spoken with the elders about watchtowers involvement in un.

how did they respond?

did it come as a surprise?

MacHislopp

Hello Rensek,

welcome on board. Concerning the topic

Ozziepost gave you a concise and correct answer.

I can tell you, because I was among those ...at the

beginning of a very long lasting and devastating topic.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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A long and dusty road paved with lies!

by MacHislopp in

*how does the governing body differ froml a legal corporation?

(b) what were the members of the governing body doing, and under whose guidance?

this was evidently under the guidance of jehovahs invisible active force or holy spirit.

MacHislopp

Hello Utopian_Raindrops,

thanks for your appreciative comments. It is true that I try

to post ...interesting and useful informationsfrom the WTBS Inc

publications. It's refreshing and enlightening to unmask the pack

of lies that they have and continue to dish out, in their publications

having the ...brazen attitude to claim that the Creator is behind it

all, and that their organization is God's visible channel on this planet.

As for the latin quote, they add a ...personal touch.

"We (my daughter and I) would like to use some of your information

on our site if you wouldn’t mind. " Of course , feel free to use them.

I love how you end your posts with a quote from some Latin writing. My mother took Latin in school and has read the works you quote from so she tells me about them!

I'm glad that you both like them.

This one Nescit vox missa reverti" (Horatius, ars poetica, 390) I find very appropriate when it comes to the WTBS and even it’s founder….

I did choose this one for that...specific reason.

Greetings, to you all, J.C.MacHislopp

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Judicials Committees " fearful power "!!!

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

please , before you continue the reading relaxyou'll need!

let's travel back in time, to the year 1958, and imagine to be among

" at a hearing before the congregation committee, it was pointed out , the offender or supposed offender, should not attempt to justify himself but ought to seek the unity of the theocratic

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Please , before you continue the reading …relax…you'll need!

Let's travel back in time, to the year 1958, and imagine to be among

the 148,046 audiences , on Wednesday , August 2 nd and the place:

Yankee Stadium-PoloGrounds, New York City, for the "Divine Will"

International Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The evening speaker is F.W. Franz, vicepresident of the Watch Tower

Society, the them of his discourse " Keeping Strict Watch on How We Walk".

(Eph. 5:15)

"…Pointing up the need of constant prayerful vigilance, Franz told his hearers

that for each of the five years from March, 1952, to April, 1957, there had been

an average of 500 persons disfellowshiped from congregations in the United States.

"However," he said, " during the past year , from April 1957, to April, 1958, the

numbers rose sharply above that yearly average to 1,334 delinquent members, or more than two and a half times as many." The Society's vice-president further stated: " We dare not dull the shock of this by arguing that this may , in part , be due to American congregations having at least 18,537 new persons associating

themselves with the witnessing activities this past year." He proved statistically

that " this definitely disclose that more than twice as many as in previous years

have failed to watch themselves and act wisely.

It was made apparent that if anyone commits a sin deserving disfellowshiping

he should be painfully grieved, should repent and confess his sin, not just to God,

but to God's visible organization through his local theocratically appointed servants. The Society's vice-president instructed overseers who receive reports

of some delinquent member of the congregation to investigate the matter and take steps concerning it.

Regarding disfellowshiping, he said: " The primary righteous purpose of this is to keep God's visible organization of his sheep clean and safe from a spread of sinfulness. The recovery of the offender is secondary." At a hearing before the congregation committee, it was pointed out , the offender or supposed offender, should not attempt to justify himself but ought to seek the unity of the theocratic

organization and should be concerned with settling matters quickly. Only then "

is he in a right condition to offer sacrifice to God and to find acceptance with him."

Noting that congregation service committees have what he termed " fearful power" to disfellowship unruly ones, Franz admonished : " They must use this power with caution, not only to avoid getting into legal difficulties with the law courts of the land, but also to avoid sinning with this disfellowshiping power

through a misuse or an abuse of it."

In conclusion the Society's vice-president told his listeners that wisdom and salvation lie in ' keeping a strict watch on how we walk'. «

(The 1958 REPORT - "Divine Will" International Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses, Yankee Stadium-Polo Grounds, New York City, Agust, 2, 1958 .pp.54,55 )

I 've found these revealing points:

1)"…above that yearly average to 1,334 delinquent members,.."

2) "…He proved statistically.."

3) " he should be painfully grieved.."

4)" …should repent and confess his sin.."

5)" .. not just to God, but to God's visible organization through

his local theocratically appointed servants."

6) "…instructed overseers who receive reports of some

delinquent member.."

7)"…keep God's visible organization of his sheepclean

and safe from a spread of sinfulness. "

8)" …The recovery of the offender is secondary."

9)"… seek the unity of the theocratic organization .."

10)"… should be concerned with settling matters quickly."

11) ".. At a hearing before the congregation committee.."

12) " that congregation service committees have what

he termed " fearful power" !!!

13) " They must use this power with caution,

not only to avoid getting into legal

difficulties with the law courts of the land.."

I'm sure that this could be useful even if only as a thought provoking material. I do have the original - 112 pages ' brochure.’ -.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

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A long and dusty road paved with lies!

by MacHislopp in

*how does the governing body differ froml a legal corporation?

(b) what were the members of the governing body doing, and under whose guidance?

this was evidently under the guidance of jehovahs invisible active force or holy spirit.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

thanks to Maverick and Blackout for the interesting comments.

I do believe Steve Hassan accurate things about 'cult's behaviour'

and many things fit the WTBS Inc. 100%!!

xjw_b12: I'm glad that your wife...like dolphins!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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A long and dusty road paved with lies!

by MacHislopp in

*how does the governing body differ froml a legal corporation?

(b) what were the members of the governing body doing, and under whose guidance?

this was evidently under the guidance of jehovahs invisible active force or holy spirit.

MacHislopp

Hello xjw_b12,

thanks for your kinds words of appreciation.

I'm glad you did find useful.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

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TOP SECRET - CONFIDENTIAL

by UnDisfellowshipped in

the watchtower, october 1st 1986 issue, page 30-31, footnote:

the one walking about as a slanderer is uncovering confidential talk, but the one faithful in spirit is covering over a matter.--prov.

the watchtower, april 1st 1971 issue, pages 222-224:.

MacHislopp

Hello undisfellowshipped,

pl ease , before you continue the reading …relax…you'll need!

Let's travel back in time, to the year 1958, and imagine to be among

the 148,046 audiences , on Wednesday , August 2 nd and the place:

Yankee Stadium-PoloGrounds, New York City, for the "Divine Will"

International Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The evening speaker is F.W. Franz, vicepresident of the Watch Tower Society, the them of his discourse " Keeping Strict Watch on How We Walk". (Eph. 5:15)

"…Pointing up the need of constant prayerful vigilance, Franz told his hearers that for each of the five years from March, 1952, to April, 1957, there had been an average of 500 persons disfellowshiped from congregations in the United States.

"However," he said, " during the past year , from April 1957, to April, 1958, the numbers rose sharply above that yearly average to 1,334 delinquent members, or more than two and a half times as many." The Society's vice-president further stated: " We dare not dull the shock of this by arguing that this may , in part , be due to American congregations having at least 18,537 new persons associating themselves with the witnessing activities this past year." He proved statistically that " this definitely disclose that more than twice as many as in previous years have failed to watch themselves and act wisely.

It was made apparent that if anyone commits a sin deserving disfellowshiping he should be painfully grieved, should repent and confess his sin, not just to God, but to God's visible organization through his local theocratically appointed servants. The Society's vice-president instructed overseers who receive reports of some delinquent member of the congregation to investigate the matter and take steps concerning it.

Regarding disfellowshiping, he said: " The primary righteous purpose of this is to keep God's visible organization of his sheep clean and safe from a spread of sinfulness. The recovery of the offender is secondary." At a hearing before the congregation committee, it was pointed out , the offender or supposed offender, should not attempt to justify himself but ought to seek the unity of the theocratic

organization and should be concerned with settling matters quickly. Only then "

is he in a right condition to offer sacrifice to God and to find acceptance with him."

Noting that congregation service committees have what he termed " fearful power" to disfellowship unruly ones, Franz admonished : " They must use this power with caution, not only to avoid getting into legal difficulties with the law courts of the land, but also to avoid sinning with this disfellowshiping power through a misuse or an abuse of it."

In conclusion the Society's vice-president told his listeners that wisdom and salvation lie in ' keeping a strict watch on how we walk'. «

(The 1958 REPORT - "Divine Will" International Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses, Yankee Stadium-Polo Grounds, New York City, Agust, 2, 1958 .pp.54,55 )

I 've found these revealing points:

1)"…above that yearly average to 1,334 delinquent members,.."

2) "…He proved statistically.."

3) " he should be painfully grieved.."

4)" …should repent and confess his sin.."

5)" .. not just to God, but to God's visible organization through

his local theocratically appointed servants."

6) "…instructed overseers who receive reports of some

delinquent member.."

7)"…keep God's visible organization of his sheepclean

and safe from a spread of sinfulness. "

8)" …The recovery of the offender is secondary."

9)"… seek the unity of the theocratic organization .."

10)"… should be concerned with settling matters quickly."

11) ".. At a hearing before the congregation committee.."

12) " that congregation service committees have what

he termed " fearful power" !!!

13) " They must use this power with caution,

not only to avoid getting into legal

difficulties with the law courts of the land.."

I'm sure that this could be useful even if only as a thought provoking material. I do have the original - 112 pages ' brochure. -.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

10

A long and dusty road paved with lies!

by MacHislopp in

*how does the governing body differ froml a legal corporation?

(b) what were the members of the governing body doing, and under whose guidance?

this was evidently under the guidance of jehovahs invisible active force or holy spirit.

MacHislopp

Hello Wannaexit,

thanks for your appreciative comment. I'm glad that the 'effort'

like this, can be useful...to uncover a lot of lies.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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TOP SECRET - CONFIDENTIAL

by UnDisfellowshipped in

the watchtower, october 1st 1986 issue, page 30-31, footnote:

the one walking about as a slanderer is uncovering confidential talk, but the one faithful in spirit is covering over a matter.--prov.

the watchtower, april 1st 1971 issue, pages 222-224:.

MacHislopp

Hello,

It is me again.

I do believe that these quotes will be useful.

Look how quickly the WTBS Inc. reports on this subject:

*** w97 2/15 p. 3 So Much Suffering ***

We also should not overlook the pain caused by pedophile perverts. Stated one grieving mother, who said her son committed suicide after being abused by a child-care worker: “The man who abused my son . . . destroyed him and a number of other boys in the most systematic, perverted way imaginable.”

*** w94 12/1 p. 6 The 20th-Century Denial of God ***

The clergy have also denied God by turning their backs on his moral standards—as evidenced, for example, by a steady stream of lawsuits against pedophile priests. The situation of Christendom resembles that of ancient Israel and Judah. “The land is filled with bloodshed and the city is full of crookedness,” the prophet Ezekiel was told, “for they have said, ‘Jehovah has left the land, and Jehovah is not seeing.’” (Ezekiel 9:9; compare Isaiah 29:15.) Little wonder that many have abandoned Christendom’s churches altogether! But must they abandon belief in

*** g93 4/8 p. 31 Victims of Pedophile Priests Speak Out ***

“DURING the past decade, some 400 Roman Catholic priests have been reported to church or civil authorities for sexual abuse of children,” according to U.S.News & World Report. Recently, a national gathering of survivors of such abuse was held near Chicago, Illinois. Many spoke openly of how they had been victimized by pedophile priests.

But NCR (National Catholic Reporter) notes that speakers sounded another theme repeatedly throughout the conference: “The first abuse is sexual; the second and more painful, is psychological.” This second abuse occurs when the church refuses to listen to victims of abuse, fails to take their accusations seriously, and moves only to protect the offending priests. “Fairly or unfairly,” NCR reports, “they portrayed Catholic clergy as belonging to an unhealthy and misguided group more bent on preserving privilege and power than in serving lay needs.” Several speakers made ominous comparisons to the Reformation, which split the church wide open in the 16th century.

According to Richard Sipe, a former priest turned psychotherapist and expert on sexual abuse by Catholic clergy, all this institutional denial reveals “a deep, desperate and knowing personal involvement in the problem.” He added: “The church knows and has known for a long time a great deal about the sexual activity of its priests. It has looked the other way, tolerated, covered up and simply lied about the broad spectrum of sexual activity of its priests.”

Not surprisingly, then, many abuse survivors are suing the church. NCR quotes one attorney who specializes in such cases as saying that there are pedophile-priest cases in each of the church’s 188 dioceses in the United States. He says that out-of-court settlements have run as high as $300,000 per case. U.S.News & World Report says that such suits have already cost the church $400,000,000, a figure that could surge to $1 billion by the year 2000. And the Canadian Press reported recently that some 2,000 survivors of childhood sexual abuse in 22 church-run orphanages and mental institutions in Quebec are suing six religious orders for $1.4 billion in damages.

Interestingly, though, the aforementioned U.S. attorney, who represents 150 victims of pedophile priests in 23 states, says that he has never yet had a client who was eager to go to court. Each one first tried to seek justice “within the pastoral context of the church.” NCR concludes: “Survivors go to the courts, it appears, not as a first resort, but as a last resort.”

*** g99 4/8 pp. 6-7 The Crisis Is Worldwide ***

Sexual abuse by pedophiles is another threat to children throughout the world. Trends & Issues in Crime and Criminal Justice gives this definition: “Paedophilia refers to sexual attraction towards the very young. . . . Paedophilia invariably involves the commission of crimes such as sexual assault, indecency and offences relating to child pornography.”

Sickening reports of pedophile rings, which greedily exploit children sexually, are flooding in from all over the world. (See the box on page 7.) The victims are both young boys and young girls. Lured by unscrupulous men, they are sexually abused and then threatened or lavishly spoiled to encourage them to remain with the “club.” The men who plan and perform these vile acts are often prominent leaders of the community and sometimes do so with the full knowledge and protection of the police and the judiciary.

Sexual abuse of children by clergymen is also causing outrage. News reports from all over the world reveal the extent of child abuse by clergymen, sometimes even in the name of God. For example, a convicted Anglican priest told his ten-year-old victim that “God was speaking through him [the clergyman], and anything he did or anything [the boy] did was loved by God and therefore right.”

In Australia a review of the book The Battle and the Backlash: The Child Sexual Abuse War commented on child abuse by clergymen and others in positions of trust. It said that the organizations involved appeared to be concerned with limiting the damage to their own image and protecting themselves rather than protecting vulnerable children.

Devastating Effects

A child’s trust is usually given completely, without reservation. So if that trust is betrayed, it has a devastating impact on an unsuspecting young mind. The publication Child Abuse & Neglect notes: “Persons and places that previously signaled safety or support have become associated with danger and fear. The child’s world becomes less predictable and controllable.”

As a result of such abuse, much of which has gone on for many years, some children have developed social and psychiatric problems later in life, well into adulthood. This betrayal of trust is so damaging because a child has been taken advantage of because he or she is a child. Yet, many children who are abused never report the matter—a fact that child abusers rely heavily on.

In recent years, evidence of worldwide child abuse has been growing, so that today there is a mountain of such evidence that can no longer be denied or ignored. But most agree that the elimination of child abuse is a formidable task. So these questions arise: Is there anyone who can really protect our children? How can those of us who are parents protect our God-given heritage and look after the lives of our vulnerable young children? To whom can parents turn for help?

*** g97 4/8 pp. 13-14 Sexual Exploitation of Children—A Worldwide Problem ***

Religion Involved

A delegate of the Roman Catholic Church at the Stockholm congress declared that exploitation of children is the “most heinous of crimes” and a “result of profound distortion and the breakdowns of values.” Yet, the Catholic Church has been severely affected by such practices among its own clergy.

In the August 16, 1993, issue of Newsweek, an article entitled “Priests and Abuse” reported on “the worst clerical scandal in the modern history of the U.S. Catholic Church.” It stated: “While allegations have been lodged against an estimated 400 priests since 1982, some churchmen extrapolate that as many as 2,500 priests have molested children or teenagers. . . . More than money, the scandal has cost the church severe embarrassment—and some of its moral authority.” Other religions throughout the world are in the same situation.

Ray Wyre, a sex-crime consultant from the United Kingdom, told the Stockholm congress about two boys who had been sadistically abused by a priest. One of the boys is now running an agency for victims of child abuse by priests, and the other is himself an abuser.”

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Concerning your question, there is in mho, only a gret answer:

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY to be paid to the thousands of victims

worldwide.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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TOP SECRET - CONFIDENTIAL

by UnDisfellowshipped in

the watchtower, october 1st 1986 issue, page 30-31, footnote:

the one walking about as a slanderer is uncovering confidential talk, but the one faithful in spirit is covering over a matter.--prov.

the watchtower, april 1st 1971 issue, pages 222-224:.

MacHislopp

Hello Undisfellowshipped,

Thanks for this great post full of important quotes. Very, very useful.

Please allow me to add something, which I do believe is interesting too.

From the WTBS Inc.'s publications:

. 21 Are You Truly Tolerant? ***

HAVE you ever felt incensed because of someone’s improper conduct? Are you quick to act when corrupting influences are making inroads among your close associates?

Prompt and firm action is sometimes required to stop the spread of serious sin. For example, when brazen wrongdoing threatened to defile the Israelites in the 15th century B.C.E., Aaron’s grandson Phinehas took decisive action to clear away what was bad. Jehovah God approved of what he did, saying: “Phinehas . . . has turned back my wrath from upon the sons of Israel by his tolerating no rivalry at all toward me in the midst of them.”—Numbers 25:1-11.

Phinehas took appropriate action to halt the spread of contamination..”

Then, look what kind of real life example the WTBS Inc. highlights :

pp. 21-22 Are You Truly Tolerant? *** Balance Is Needed

Since the Sovereign Lord of the universe displays tolerance in dealing with imperfect humans, should we not do the same? Tolerance has been defined as “the disposition to be patient with the opinions or practices of others.” Do we personally have such a disposition—an inclination to exercise patience and forbearance when others say or do things that are not grossly sinful but perhaps are inappropriate in word or deed?

Of course, we need to avoid being overly tolerant. For instance, terrible damage is done when religious authorities tolerate abusive priests who persistently molest boys and girls.

“Treating the children as occasions of sin,” commented one reporter in Ireland, “the church authorities merely moved on the offending priest [to another location].”

Is just transferring such a man an example of proper tolerance? Hardly! Suppose a medical body allowed an irresponsible surgeon to continue operating, transferring him from one hospital to another, even though he was killing or maiming his patients. A mistaken sense of professional loyalty might produce such “tolerance.” But what about the victims whose lives were lost or adversely affected because of negligent or even criminal practices?

Incredibly , then the WTBS Inc. writes about the Pharisees ,why ??

Let’s read :

*** w01 7/15 p. 22

The first-century Pharisees were another intolerant group. They were constantly condemning others and made no allowance for human imperfection. The proud Pharisees looked down on the common folk, maligning them as “accursed people.” (John 7:49)

For good reason, Jesus denounced such self-righteous men, saying: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things.”—Matthew 23:23.

In making this statement, Jesus was not downplaying the importance of keeping the Mosaic Law. He was simply showing that the “weightier,” or more important, aspects of the Law required applying it with reasonableness and mercy. How Jesus and his disciples stood out from the intolerant Pharisees and Zealots !

And look at this part :

*** w01 7/15 p. 23

Unlike Jesus, we lack the ability to read hearts. Hence, we should follow the apostle Peter’s counsel: “Sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.” (1 Peter 3:15) As Jehovah’s servants, we should defend what we believe because it is solidly based on God’s Word. But we need to do this in a way that shows respect for others and for their sincerely held beliefs. Paul wrote: “Let your utterance be always with graciousness, seasoned with salt, so as to know how you ought to give an answer to each one.”—Colossians 4:6.

Surely the WTBS Inc. deliberately ignored statement published in another

« Watchtower « 15 years earlier, which surely allowed no room for tolerance :

*** w86 4/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

· Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?

Those who voice such an objection point out that many religious organizations claiming to be Christian allow dissident views. Even some clergymen disagree with basic teachings of their church, yet they remain in good standing. In nearly all the denominations of Christendom, there are modernists and fundamentalists who greatly disagree with one another as to the inspiration of the Scriptures.

However, such examples provide no grounds for our doing the same. Why not? Many of such denominations allow widely divergent views among the clergy and the laity because they feel they cannot be certain as to just what is Bible truth. They are like the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day who were unable to speak as persons having authority, which is how Jesus taught. (Matthew 7:29) Moreover, to the extent that religionists believe in interfaith, they are obligated not to take divergent beliefs too seriously.

But taking such a view of matters has no basis in the Scriptures. Jesus did not make common cause with any of the sects of Judaism. Jews of those sects professed to believe in the God of creation and in the Hebrew Scriptures, particularly the Law of Moses. Still, Jesus told his disciples to “watch out . . . for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” (Matthew 16:11, 12; 23:15) Note also how strongly the apostle Paul stated matters: “Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed.” Paul then repeated that statement for emphasis.—Galatians 1:8, 9.

Teaching dissident or divergent views is not compatible with true Christianity, as Paul makes clear at 1 Corinthians 1:10: “I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.” (New International Version) At Ephesians 4:3-6 he further stated that Christians should be “earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all persons.”

Was this unity to be achieved and maintained by each one’s independently searching the Scriptures, (…very bad thing)

coming to his own conclusions, and then teaching these? Not at all! Through Jesus Christ, Jehovah God provided for this purpose “some as apostles, . . . some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers . . . until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man.” Yes, with the help of such ministers, congregational unity—oneness in teaching and activity—could be and would be possible.—Ephesians 4:11-13.

Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth. (why not???)

The Roman Catholic pope, as well as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, professes such beliefs, yet their church memberships are exclusive of each other. Likewise, simply professing to have such beliefs would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible,

(..up to here…no problem for millions..)

including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses .

(…here we have a huge problem, with “ those Scriptural

that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses and that …can be

modified/changed/added /modified/changed every 2,5,10,25,

30, 40 years and so on without any limit…!)

What do such beliefs include?

That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17)

That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28)

That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47)

(…one of the greatest WTBS Inc.’s teaching…deprived of

Scriptural support, which changed few times in over a century)

That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10)

(“Christ’s foretold presence in 1914 “ ??? Oh , why then did the

WTBS Inc. publicly preached and taught from 1877 until 1943

that Christ’s presence …began in 1874???

That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3)

That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21)

That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise.

That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.

Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: “Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some.” (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.

(What about all those…thousands Christians who taught publicly about “the saints resurrection in 1888…then in 1918 etC etc. Could they, according to the apostle Paul be branded as apostates???)

Similarly, the apostle John termed as antichrists those who did not believe that Jesus had come in the flesh. They may well have believed in God, in the Hebrew Scriptures, in Jesus as God’s Son, and so on. But on this point, that Jesus had actually come in the flesh, they disagreed and thus were termed “antichrist.” John goes on to say regarding those holding such variant views: “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.”—2 John 7, 10, 11.

(Excellent point: variant views from Jesus ‘ teaching and the

apostles’ teaching…but not the teaching, viewpoint, opinion, the

undertanding, up-date understanding , clarification etc. etc. of the

WTBS Inc.!!)

Following such Scriptural patterns, if a Christian (who claims belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus) unrepentantly promotes false teachings, it may be necessary for him to be expelled from the congregation. (See Titus 3:10, 11.)

( Following such Scriptural patterns…thousands and thousands of

‘early Bible Students’, including C.T. Russell, then J.Rutherford etc.

etc. should have been expelled from the congregation

because they were, “ promoting false teachings” subverting

the mind and the heart of …thousands,…actually millions!!!)

Of course, if a person just has doubts or is uninformed on a point, qualified ministers will lovingly assist him. This accords with the counsel: “Continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire.” (Jude 22, 23) Hence, the true Christian congregation cannot rightly be accused of being harshly dogmatic, but it does highly value and work toward the unity encouraged in God’s Word.”

(How can the WTBS Inc escape from the accusation of beingharsh and dogmatic!!!)

In this issue the most important question is:

"...what about the victims whose lives were lost or adversely affected because of negligent or even criminal practices?"

I'm sure that our thoughts are with them.

Greetings, James Charles MacHislopp

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CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA and the WTBS Inc. Gov. Body

by MacHislopp in

reading again this article i couldnt help to notice similarity in

attitude and behaviour, in spiritual matters, between cyril of

alexandria and the wtbs inc., governing body !

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Reading again this article I couldn’t help to notice similarity in

attitude and behaviour, in spiritual matters, between Cyril of

Alexandria and the WTBS Inc., ‘ governing body ‘ !

Take a look:

*** w01 4/15 The Church Fathers—Advocates of Bible Truth? ***

CYRIL OF ALEXANDRIA—A CONTROVERSIAL CHURCH FATHER

One of the most controversial figures among Church Fathers is Cyril of Alexandria (c. 375-444 C.E.). Church historian Hans von Campenhausen describes him as “dogmatic, violent, and cunning, permeated by the greatness of his calling and the dignity of his office,” and adds that “he never considered anything as right unless it was useful to him in the furtherance of his power and authority . . .

Regarding Cyril’s theological writings, Campenhausen says: “He initiated the practice of deciding questions of belief not solely on the basis of the Bible but with the aid of appropriate quotations and collections of quotations from acknowledged authorities.”

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp