Posts by LovesDubs

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Dedicated

by joelbear in

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i have a question for the group.. i am wondering if anyone has ever had a dedication and baptism successfully anulled.. i clearly recall that i did not answer the 2 questions when asked with the baptismal group.

i have an enormously strong aversion to lying and i knew that i was a homosexual and therefore didn't feel like i could answer the questions truthfully even though i was a virgin.. if i was never dedicated in jehovah's eyes how can i be disfellowshipped in his eyes.

i never took the vow, so doesn't that basically just make my baptism meaningless.

LovesDubs

Hi JB Its a catch-22 for sure...the JWs will be the first ones to say to you that scripture that says "if they go out from us then they were never part of us" (badly paraphrased)so how can someone who leaves ever have been an actual member if leaving disavows their membership to begin with? I wonder how they register all of this and still sleep at night. If you were baptized as I was on June 1, 1985, your questions were totally different than the ones even the prior weekend to that...constantly changing to suit the legalities of the Society. Mine included vowing allegiance to the Society and sorta left out the Father Son and Holy Smokes, Batman, all together. I, too was baptized because my "friends" said they could no longer associate with me if I didnt. At age 30 freshly divorced and having been successfully ripped away from all friends and family members outside the org, I was terrified I would be alone again...so I did it. Now as an apostate, I am accused of never having BEEN a JW by the very elder and his wife who studied with me, did my baptismal talk, my marriage talk and whom I named my kids after. NEVER WAS ONE?? So why are they treating me like horse pucky? Either I WAS and now am NOT or NEVER WAS and now CONTINUE TO NOT BE a JW.

They make up the rules as they go along JB...and the guy with the ball is makin up the game. They can disfellowship you on the grounds of "appearance of improprieties" or "behavior not befitting a Christian" on little or no evidence of said impropriety...and apparently they can say you WERE baptized just because you appeared to go through the process using the same cockameemie set of rules.

The rank and file are more afraid of being rejected by Brooklyn's Billionaire Boys Club than they are of losing their own family members. I see it every day when I see my husband shunning his own mother whom I KNOW he loves dearly.

They are WACKED. At least you have your integrity hon. They dont know the meaning of the word.

Loves
"My task is to bear witness to the truth. For this was I born for this I came into the world, and ALL who are not deaf to truth listen to my voice" - Jesus before Pilate, John 18:37

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GOOD cult control techniques

by philo in

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with logical's post in mind, i want to start a thread about something positive.

the wt are positively good at controlling their followers.. which is your favourite wt control technique, and why??????????.

the best contibution wins six million devoted worshippers and a 40 year conditional canonisation in the pages of the wt.. the one i like is so good because it works from 'on high' as well as among the orphans and widows at the congregation.

LovesDubs

Spiritual blackmail. What more effective way of controlling ANYBODY than to threaten to remove them from their loved ones?

"You only read OUR literature, you dont QUESTION our word, dont even make a FACE if you disagree, dissention will be met with swift penalty. You love your kids? Love your family and those friends youve had for 30 years? Then you damn well better toe the company line and we better not see your sniveling apostate comments on the web Bunky...we have your FAMILY...and the best part is, you cant do a damn thing about it." Welcome to the Worldwide Brotherhood of Love.

Loves
"My task is to bear witness to the truth. For this was I born for this I came into the world, and ALL who are not deaf to truth listen to my voice" - Jesus before Pilate, John 18:37

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Holidays

by eyes_opened in

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i know this has probably been covered a bunch...but here i go anyway lol.

how many of you guys who have been out of the org.

for a while, now celebrate the holidays?

LovesDubs

My JW husband gets so mad because I do the holidays and then tell him they have no religious meaning to me whatsoever. That being the case, he cant accuse me of celebrating pagan rituals either. LOL! I have three young kids, and I dragged them to meetings for their whole lives until 97. Im determined to give them as full a life as possible even if it is all by myself. We have a ball. I feel bad for my husband because I see no joy in him...gosh no joy in one of Jehovahs Happy People? No preparadasaic euphoria? Say it aint so.

Hes determined to remain a JW til he dies. My guess is his heart will break.

Loves
"My task is to bear witness to the truth. For this was I born for this I came into the world, and ALL who are not deaf to truth listen to my voice" - Jesus before Pilate, John 18:37

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For My Dad.

by Englishman in

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today, the 28 february, is 17 years since my dad died.

every year, on this day, i speak to my jw mum on the telephone, just to say hello mum, i know this isn`t your favourite day.. every year that passes, she tells me that, every morning on this date, when she wakes, she tells herself that today is just another day, there is nothing special about it.. well, today i told her that today was special.

the sun and earth were in the same place, the season was the same.

LovesDubs

JW funerals are nothing more than Infomercials for the Society...taking advantage of grieving worldly relatives whom they know arent going anywhere and will sit there and listen to that hogwash. I posted this experience last July when it happened, but my dear friend who is DA'd as I am, her JW husband passed away of cancer and she had the funeral in a funeral home, but the husband chose a JW to do his "talk". The guy basically took the Society's outline and stuck the deceased's name in it all over the place to make it "seem" like he was talking about him specially when he wasnt. "...and J's FAVORITE scripture was the one about the preaching work... and J's OTHER favorite scripture was the one about the ressurection of the righteous ones to a paradise earth...and J would NEVER leave out the scripture about getting accurate knowledge of Jehovah..." it was sickening. He stated that only JWs are "qualified" to speak about God. That only by being a JW can you attain to this paradise. And he asked the JWs there "how did you treat 'ones'(I hate that term) when you came in here? Was it with love?" And then....

When he finished he said the widow would like to say something...and there was a WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH as 60 JWs stood up en masse and WALKED OUT OF THE BUILDING! All she wanted to do was thank them for coming and thats the LOVE they showed to the deceased's nonJW family and his CHILDREN?? All of dads "FRIENDS" get up and desert them? I wanted to puke at that display of self righteousness. And they didnt LEAVE they all went just outside the windows and laughed and talked and patted each other on the back for their show of solidarity "for Jehovah".

Ive never seen such a blazing display of hypocrisy in my entire life.

My sincere condolences to the loss of your dad. My parents are gettnig up there too...Im not sure how I will be able to handle that loss, but there wont be any JWs there scorning my tears or pretending that they give a ___ that they died.

Loves
"My task is to bear witness to the truth. For this was I born for this I came into the world, and ALL who are not deaf to truth listen to my voice" - Jesus before Pilate, John 18:37

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

LovesDubs

Im sorry it kept telling me my posts werent going through and giving me an error message....probably demons.

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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friends

ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

LovesDubs

Boy those demons are busy little buggers. We had a sister of course in OUR hall also being raped by demons. In fact Ive heard that story so many times you would think the JW women would be afraid of going to bed at night. Yes...the urban legends live!

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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friends

ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

LovesDubs

yoiks what a spaz I am today

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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friends

ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

LovesDubs

oops

Edited by - LovesDubs on 28 February 2001 15:29:44

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

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friends

ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

LovesDubs

Hey JB {{{{}}}} Glad to see you! Yes those demons, always doing things to the Dubbies like jumpin outta their song books, rattling their dressers, inhabiting the chicken-shaped cookie jar they got at that worldly person's garage sale...and my favorite..."thumping".

I had two friends who used to be very dear to me, who claimed that one night in their apartment at the time when they were only just starting to study, there came a constant thumping and banging on the wall. In fear, they prayed and said the name of Jehovah and VOILA! the thumping stopped. They said they were convinced that they had the Truth then.

I was VERY impressed with that until it occurred to me it was probably just the neighbors humping or something equally nondemonic in nature. But people will believe what they want to believe and TRUTH is only whatever bulltwinkies you can convince somebody else that it is :)

Loves
"My task is to bear witness to the truth. For this was I born for this I came into the world, and ALL who are not deaf to truth listen to my voice" - Jesus before Pilate, John 18:37

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Is There Something Sinister At The KH?

by Englishman in

jw
friends

ever since i departed the jw`s, i have pooh - pooh`d the idea of satan, devils, demons, witches and warlocks and laughed at jw paranoia re smurfs and demonised objects etc etc.. just recently, i have had some thoughts as to why jw`s are so obsessive about this subject, suppose that:.

what if the jw religion were itself of satanic origin?

consider the facts:.

LovesDubs

Hey JB {{{{}}}} Glad to see you! Yes those demons, always doing things to the Dubbies like jumpin outta their song books, rattling their dressers, inhabiting the chicken-shaped cookie jar they got at that worldly person's garage sale...and my favorite..."thumping".

I had two friends who used to be very dear to me, who claimed that one night in their apartment at the time when they were only just starting to study, there came a constant thumping and banging on the wall. In fear, they prayed and said the name of Jehovah and VOILA! the thumping stopped. They said they were convinced that they had the Truth then.

I was VERY impressed with that until it occurred to me it was probably just the neighbors humping or something equally nondemonic in nature. But people will believe what they want to believe and TRUTH is only whatever bulltwinkies you can convince somebody else that it is :)