Cantleave: Agreed. Im relativly unconcerned either way. God is my judge. Ill answer to him in the end, and he will at least understand my actions. (1 Corinthians 4:3-6)
Rockygirl: Im going to ignore it all. Only my dad and my brother are in, and quite frankly neither of them care at all about the org any more. My dad is cool. Im still not looking forward to telling him however, but im not worrying. I will be posting on here regularly as things take place. Thanks for your support and encouragement.
Sir82: True. Im not hiding anything and im not scared of who i am. Im not going to agree to any meetings or anything with the elders, and if they do persist, i will hand them a letter of resignation. I like your points about saying im depressed, but, depressed is the last thing i am now! IM TOO HAPPY! :D Lol! Thanks for the nice words.
Serenitynow: Isnt it interesting that he is my oldest friend in my congregation and now i have the desire to no longer be around him. I dislike the way that he is caught in this concept, that he has to report on his best friends dealings, and then say to me, that its for my own good. Bullsh**!
Magwitch: I will refuse all of the above! And i will live my life! I look forward to it too! :D
Rabbit: Thanks. After contemplating my sexuality for so many difficult months, i came to understand that telling a gay to be straight is SUCH an IMPOSSIBLE thing. There isnt a cure because i am not ill. If there was a cure... i wouldnt want it anyway! My family is going to be cool! I have my dads assurance of that! As regards the org... i couldnt care less now what happens! :D
Jean Luc Picard: Totaly agree! God loves all people... or at least that what i read from the bible. Interesting isnt it that the JWs would rather shun THEIR OWN CHILDREN for the sake of a man made ideal. Is that true Christian love? Nope... its horse manure and THAT is wrong in my opinion.
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Billy the exbethelite: Good points. I think they will have a lot to answer for at judgement day! Anyway... thats between them and Jehovah! I best just worry about myself and try my best to be as good a Christian as i can. :D
Desirousofchange: Thanks. I have read the elder book. I think its full of organisational nonsense! The bible should be the elders handbook. Anyway... i understand what the book says on the issue but whatever! Im not interested in how this ends! Im interested in its end.
Nugget: Hello. How are you? I look forward to the time when i dont have to worry about all this kind of shizz! :D My friend can out me if he wants, but despite the fact that he told me he is doing it for my own good... all it will do is propel me right out of this highly odd belief system. Not such a bad thing. I must say... i agree with you when you say it is a hurtful religion. My mind has been screwed over in the past with feelings of guilt etc. What does my friend think he is going to acheieve by getting me spiritual readjustment? Yes... im going to agree to that because i want to go back into a religion where i constantly felt i wanted to kill myself because i could never measure up to their perfect standards. Lol! No idea! Thanks for your kind words! :D
JACKALS: Firslty, i want to thank you for your loving support in this. Im sure you see the lunacy of what I am a part of! If we ever have JWs calling on our house in the future... we are GOING TO invite them in and have a chat with them! Lol! :D Anyway... i know this is delicate and its premature! I will speak with the brother and tell him that if he wants to help me... he needs to leave me be for a while. I doubt it will make a difference, but i will try. Thanks for being so understanding! Kiss!
Mad Sweeney: Yeh... they ar eonly interested in themselves realy. Thanks for wishing us luck! We are off to a great start too... got a nice foundation of friendship beneath us. Love spending time together! :D Im not realy too bothered now about the friends that i will lose when i leave the organisation. Iv kind of compensated by finding my little Jackals! I shed those words 4 months ago too! To me the Watchtower lingo is meaningless and when some brothers use those expressions i generaly cringe. Its cool to think of everyone in thsi world being normal. There are some good people here arnt there? Thanks. :D
Jamiebowers: Exactly. I cant be tried for anything. But if im pestered... i will resign. Cool! :D
Chariklo: Yes... i agree with Billy too... its become quite detached from what Christianity is about. Men following men and usurping the power of the Christ and then coming out with judgements and silly rules which destroy and damage peoples lives. And they may have the nerve to call me apostate? Lol!
NewChapter: Thanks for explaining this to Jack! Its crazy isnt it! MADNESS!!! I would NEVER do this to someone I knew especialy on such a delicate matter as this as Jack rightly brought out. Thanks for you honesty too! I explained before to Jack that i dont blame the brother for this! He has just been caught up in a whirlwind of odd ideas and crazy practices! I think personaly, i have ALWAYS been more liberal! I was always a rebel and i never realy did anything the JW way anyway. Thanks! :D
Snoozy: Yeh... shocking realy! Thing is though for me... the more and more i read the bible... the more i come to realise how flawed this org realy is and how detached from Christianity it has become. Anyway... the may all continue as they are! Ill be happy when im out of it all! :D
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If I do not go and speak with the elders by Sunday, then he will speak with them on my behalf.
by TimothyT inmy friend called round before and has just left.
he told me that he was worried about me and that he wanted to speak to me as to why i havnt been going to the meetings or on the field service.
i told him that im just not discussing the reasons at all.
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If I do not go and speak with the elders by Sunday, then he will speak with them on my behalf.
by TimothyT inmy friend called round before and has just left.
he told me that he was worried about me and that he wanted to speak to me as to why i havnt been going to the meetings or on the field service.
i told him that im just not discussing the reasons at all.
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Hi everyone,
My friend called round before and has just left. He told me that he was worried about me and that he wanted to speak to me as to why I havnt been going to the meetings or on the field service. I told him that Im just not discussing the reasons at all. In the past, as this brother is my longest friend in the congregation, i felt comfortable in telling him that i am having problems reconciling my sexuality. He asked me if this had something to do with it, then said he thought it may be as im now hanging around with and spending lots of time with a gay guy. Again, i simply said, "Im not talking about it." There is nothing i can say which will be helpful.
He then encouraged me to go and speak with the elders who will be able to help me. Unfortunately, we all know on here dont we that the elders cannot help people like me. They will likely try (and fail) to give me some sort of spiritual councel and direction. Again, im just going to be closed about the whole thing. I will refuse to meet with them, i will refuse to talk. There is nothing which can be said or done about the situation. I will either be marked or disfellowshipped. In any case... im realy disinterested.
If anyone understands my predicament, its like telling a human that he cant have air. Helping me by giving me 'loving councel' to become something that i KNOW im not, is not the avenue i want to go down. Been there, done that! Came close to suicide because of guilty and disgusting feelings about myself. The way i feel now... IM MUCH HAPPIER! This isnt a case of me WANTING to displease Jehovah or anything. Its simply a case of my own health and wellbeing.
Anyway, he told me, as JW's are encouraged to do, that if I do not go and speak with the elders by Sunday, then he will speak with them on my behalf. I said to him, "Do as you will!" Again there is nothing i can say or explain that will help the situation... im dealing with an extremely demanding and strictly come organisation here. I welcome the opportunity to finaly be free of it all.
It approaches...
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You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him
by jean-luc picard inyou also must be ready, because the son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
( luke 12:40. new international version).
so logically, if jws expect him soooooon, thats proof that he's not coming soon..
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Good post!
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Is he an apostate?
by Iamallcool inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_3g9_1h3o&feature=player_embedded.
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Lol! I dont get it!
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Is he an apostate?
by Iamallcool inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_3g9_1h3o&feature=player_embedded.
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Lol at your little conversation!
I shall watch the video!
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The parable of the sheep and the goats!
by TimothyT ini was reading again the parapble jesus spoke to his disciples about the sheep and goats.
when i read it, it was plain and simple in my eyes.. 34 then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.
35 for i became hungry and you gave me something to eat; i got thirsty and you gave me something to drink.
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Thats nice Aguest! Well reasoned!
Jack and I were discussing the parable of the good samaritan before. Jesus was a keen believer in helping others who even he wasnt sent to help.
What a greta example for us all!
Jack is wearing white, Timmy is wearing blue! We went to an opera that night! Carmen! Brilliant!
Timmy xxx
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The parable of the sheep and the goats!
by TimothyT ini was reading again the parapble jesus spoke to his disciples about the sheep and goats.
when i read it, it was plain and simple in my eyes.. 34 then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.
35 for i became hungry and you gave me something to eat; i got thirsty and you gave me something to drink.
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15 Read Matthew 25:31-40. Jesus called those who would make up the faithful slave class his brothers. In the illustration about the separating of the sheep from the goats, Jesus clearly states that he takes personally the way we treat his brothers. In fact, he said that the determining factor that would distinguish a sheep from a goat would be the way an individual treated even “the least of these [his] brothers.” Therefore, the primary way that those with the earthly hope demonstrate their desire to be friends with Christ is by supporting the faithful slave class.
how can you express your friendship toward Christ’s brothers?
First, by wholeheartedly sharing in the preaching work. (Recruitment of new members)
A second way that those of the other sheep class can help Christ’s brothers is by financially supporting the preaching work. (Money)
A third way that all of us prove that we are friends of Christ is by cooperating with the direction provided by congregation elders. (Obedience)Watchtower 2009, 15 October, Page 15-17
This article seems to present the parable in an honest manner, but to me, it feels like a total twisting of scripture in order to continue controling the lives of the members, doing so in 3 (convenient) ways.
Timmy xxx
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The parable of the sheep and the goats!
by TimothyT ini was reading again the parapble jesus spoke to his disciples about the sheep and goats.
when i read it, it was plain and simple in my eyes.. 34 then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.
35 for i became hungry and you gave me something to eat; i got thirsty and you gave me something to drink.
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Great points Metatron! Wow... i should remember that for when i need to discuss it in the future.
I can pull up an article from the CD ROM Jack and see what they say. They wont justidy themselves though. As 'Gods annointed slave' they dont have to explain themselves.
Timmy Tucker xxx
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The parable of the sheep and the goats!
by TimothyT ini was reading again the parapble jesus spoke to his disciples about the sheep and goats.
when i read it, it was plain and simple in my eyes.. 34 then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.
35 for i became hungry and you gave me something to eat; i got thirsty and you gave me something to drink.
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OOOH... Some great points Jackie boy!
You have my (unconditional) love and respect!
Timmy xxx
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The parable of the sheep and the goats!
by TimothyT ini was reading again the parapble jesus spoke to his disciples about the sheep and goats.
when i read it, it was plain and simple in my eyes.. 34 then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.
35 for i became hungry and you gave me something to eat; i got thirsty and you gave me something to drink.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I read it and thought... A GHOST!!! Whats that got to do with anything! HEHE!!! I can imagine some brothers i know saying something like that tho.
Some of the things iv heard said to householders in the past... SHOCKING!!!
Im glad i have seen the light here!
Cheers.
Timmy xxx