wow, you guys. This thread is deep....
Trevor, sorry about those experiences. They were unnecessary!
Java, that's a great point you made, friend.
the children.
there are many things that could be changed, and even though i would never go back, i think there are some very basic changes they could make in their child rearing practices, simple changes that would make a big difference in their society.. 1. don't force small children to sit for two hours in a chair.. this was discussed at length on the thread about slapping children at the kingdom hall.. 2. don't bring children to meetings where the subject has to do with adult sexual practices.. 3. don't tell teenagers that they can't ask someone out for a date unless marriage is on their mind.. 4. don't tell them that they are not special, that they have to humble themselves and be like everyone else.. 5. don't tell them they have to get good grades through high school as a reflection of what jehovah has given them and then tell them they can't go to college when they graduate from high school at the top of their class.. 6. don't tell your wordly neighbors that you give your children presents all through the year, but not on their birthday, when they have never seen a special gift wrapped present in their life.. 7. don't expect a shy child to enjoy going from door to door and don't expect an extroverted, lively child to sit still at meetings.. 8. don't tell an inquiring child not to ask questions and don't tell them not to read interesting books.. 9. don't surprised if you don't change your ways that your children will leave you, even though they love you.
wow, you guys. This thread is deep....
Trevor, sorry about those experiences. They were unnecessary!
Java, that's a great point you made, friend.
people are stupid.
sometimes that is the only way to describe how certain things can happen.
especially is this so when panic, stress or hormones kick in which often serves only dilutes whatever common sense is left remaining.. a couple of examples:.
Oh English, that is rich!
And thanks to ChuckD who debunked these urban myths before I could get to my computer! (My husband came home last week and related the 'scuba diver story--he wouldn't believe it was a UL until I pointed out to him that a in order for that to happen, the helicopter would have to lift a scoopful of water at top speed. Which is of course, an impossibility. The copter would ditch. But it is a funny story...)
Here are two of my favorite TRUE stories, LOL.
This one from Reader's Digest asbout 10 years ago. A man decided to rob a bank in NYC. To get around that dang 'getaway car' thing, he decided to rob a bank and !!!! hail a taxi. His thought process was something like..."Oh they'll never know which taxi I got in."
So he robs the bank, runs out the door and hails a taxi. He forgot to calculate for rush hour traffic. He was caught one block from the bank in stand-still traffic.
A friend of our was a former CO in Austrailia. His car broke down frequently. Waiting on the side of the road for some assistance...finally a woman happened by. He explained to her the problem and told her if she would just give him a little 'push' it would be enough to get the engine turning over. So she agreed. She went back to her car. As he looked in his rearview mirror, he was horrified to see the woman backing up! Yup, She backed up, got a good running start and BAM rear ended him at about 40 mph.....
My suggestion if you're really interested in reading about stupid people? http://www.darwinawards.com Make sure you have plenty of time to browse....
i have made a couple of remarks regarding family dynamics on other threads, but i thought it's be nice to start a new thread.... i'm no psychologist, but suffice it to say i see some similarities here.
(please add to/comment on these thoughts).
the organization wishes to be seen as our mother.
Unless it wasn't accurate to begin with.....
this is an email i just received.
i feel like posting the senders name and email, but i'll refrain for now.. you are a coward like all of you on that 'jw' board you cant say these things .
when we talk to you cause you dont want to hear the truth................you .
Greetings, fellow sluts, baby daddies and baby mammas!
I'm just thinking that I'm going to report ol' Kwesi boy to the elders for not speaking the pure language!
As a matter of fact, it's EBONICS , which has been dismissed time and time again as 'slang of the modern day youth.' And we ALL know True Christians must be beyond reproach in their everyday dealings!
Oh, Kwesi, yer getting df'd now fer shore son.
ever look at the lyrics to the jw songs?
what a riot, i can't believe i sang them, although i can remember laughing at the meetings while singing some of them.. iknow that in this crucial hour.
my faith will yet be tested.. around me swarms the devils crowd.
Actually, since those songs are copyrighted, I wonder why thery're *not* being sued....
when viv mouritz , former branch coordinator in australia, addressed the special meeting of sydney and surrounding area congregations at the superdome last weekend, he blamed the young witnesses who were leaving "the truth" for the drop in numbers in australia.. at the service meeting this week in one sydney congregation it was announced by a bethel elder that the elders have been told (as if they didn't know already!
) that 2,000 have left "the truth" in the past two years in australia.
this typical congregation of 120 publishers has lost 19 inactive since 1999.. the march 2001 issue of kingdom ministry (australian edition) gives the number of publishers for december as 58,426, pioneers 3,315 and 19 baptized.. in dec '98 there were 58,706 pubs,and in dec '99 there were 58,000.. with 1,600-1,800 being baptized each year, there is indeeed a 2,000 shortfall.. so, who's to blame?
Oh you guys have all missed your calling! You should be in show biz, cause you all have me laughing my arse off.......
this is an email i just received.
i feel like posting the senders name and email, but i'll refrain for now.. you are a coward like all of you on that 'jw' board you cant say these things .
when we talk to you cause you dont want to hear the truth................you .
Well you just *KNOW* mine was going to be a gem, LOL. BTW, Neyank you're too funny!
Read it and Weep!
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:47:00 EST
Subject: yo
To: [email protected]
you are confused and if you dont stop going down the broad and spacious
road
you will be thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur....i am sick at
the
stuff you and other worldly people have been posting the society dont
bother
with you cause you are fulfilling prophecy ...... bye........... read
something that will add meaning to your sprialled life
My response:
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:20:36 -0800 (PST)
From: < [email protected]>
Subject: Re: yo
To: [email protected]
Kwesi,
I don't think you've been reading the stuff *I* posted. Because if you had been reading it, you would know I don't have much respect for 'pearls of wisdom' that don't follow basic rules of syntax, grammar or spelling.
Thanks for the warning about the lake of fire and sulfa! I'll be on my best behavior from this point forward!
Lisa
infant has "bloodless" surgery.
by andrew bridges.
feb. 22, 2001 | los angeles (ap) -- .
Sass,
Yeah, thanks, I know. I was just making a point.
i have made a couple of remarks regarding family dynamics on other threads, but i thought it's be nice to start a new thread.... i'm no psychologist, but suffice it to say i see some similarities here.
(please add to/comment on these thoughts).
the organization wishes to be seen as our mother.
MAYBE I missed it. I didn't see anywhere in my posts where I 'blamed' anyone for anything. I don't really have anything to 'blame' anyone for. It's not like I'm broke, stupid, ugly, need braces didn't get em, attending 12-step meeting for overeaters anonymous, uneducated and weak-minded. On the contrary I have been all over the world, I'm happy (until people like you piss me off), and have a wonderful marriage and family. I wish all of my friends could be as *cursed* as I am.
I also said how much I love and admire my parents. It's not easy for anyone to stay married, and successfully raise a family. I also 'happen to know' that they would do things a little differently if they had children at home now. I know that quite a few parents would.
Your postulations that something that comprised such a large part of people's lives has no effect on their later years, I find to be rather foolish. I'd like to see you present this to a panel of Psychotherapists and Psychologists.
Haven't you seen how many on this board have been and still are in therapy? I've never been, but if I decided it would be something that could help me I'd go in minute. People who stay the course of self-introspection and examination through therapy are to be commended. There are people who have been very deeply scarred by their experiences, and just because they don't all jump up and down and post their messages on this board doesn't mean they don't exist.
I, of course, play Devil's advocate. I receive emails from people who just don't want their experiences torn down by sarcastic rude people like you who minimize the impact of years of religious indoctrination and inculcation. So they choose to remain in the shadows.
While someone like you who isn't even brave enough to post your freakin email address or tell your status in the congregation sits back and criticizes.
Get some balls and then come back and try again.
infant has "bloodless" surgery.
by andrew bridges.
feb. 22, 2001 | los angeles (ap) -- .
So Xandit,you're saying, salvaging blood (recycling blood)during the operation has been acceptable for years?
Hmmmm I wonder what it was before it was *acceptable.* There was a shift in policy with the introduction of the auto-salvage machine.
But Jehovah's policy doesn't change. Does it?
Of course not. Only man's interpretaion has changed.