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  Family dynamics and the Org.

  by LDH in

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  i have made a couple of remarks regarding family dynamics on other threads, but i thought it's be nice to start a new thread.... i'm no psychologist, but suffice it to say i see some similarities here.

  (please add to/comment on these thoughts).

  the organization wishes to be seen as our mother.

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  Xandit,

  MOST of the time I try to be middle of the road on 'issues' concerning people's childhoods. But, for the sake of fun, let's re-word what you wrote, to be a little bit more accurate.

  (Your assumption that all adult children of JWs are bitter is noted, and although not accurate, will be used for the sake of the argument.Your sarcastic tone has been somewhat tempered)

  I would have been a cheer leader, homecoming queen, quarterback, brain surgeon, Doctor of Origami, rich and famous, Olympic gold medal winner, found a cure for cancer, etc. etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum

  How about the more accurate:

  I would have loved to have been a cheer leader, homecoming queen, brain surgeon, infinitum ad nauseum. Unfortunately, the time to get on the road to most of those life goals occurs sometime in late adolescence. As it stands, I spent a great deal of that time wrapped up in religious pursuits that I no longer believe to the degree which I believed earlier. I now have a family for whom I have responsibility for; therefore I have neither the time nor the money to attend college. Although I now feel that a great deal of my life was wasted, at the time I was doing what I believed Jehovah wanted me to do, so no harm done. However, I would never require *my* child to spend so much time in pursuits that lead nowhere! I WILL allow my child to develop his/her personality and *selfishly* spend time in recreational activities that are necessary for his/her growth. I will also encourage other parents to do the same.

  Xandit, this not only sounds more accurate, but from firsthand knowledge of close personal friends raised as JWs, I know it is accurate.

  A side point, which is where I'm thinking we differ, many people raised as JWs had what I would have termed 'liberal'. However, quite a few of us on this board *know* that these people weren't considered a 'strong JW.' Matter of fact, you could be classed as 'weak' or 'bad association' as easily as snapping your fingers! So perhaps this is where the discrepancy is! That's why there is such a sarcastic reaction to you purporting how many things you got to do as a JW child! It just doesn't ring true to the actual experience of 'strong' JWs.

  But of course, I forgot, you don't have to 'define' yourself.
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  Infant has "bloodless" surgery

  by Dogpatch in

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  infant has "bloodless" surgery.

  by andrew bridges.

  feb. 22, 2001 | los angeles (ap) -- .

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  OK, so let me get this right.

  Ms. Duran appointed a 'health guardian'. Her husband apparently wanted her to have a blood transfusion. So she appointed a 'health guardian' instead of allowing her husband to be her life partner, she chose someone else, perhaps an elder?!?!?

  I thought husband and wife were supposed to stick together; and that each is responsible for the other's welfare. I thought my husband was my health guardian!
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  Did Snakes have Legs? Yes/No

  by Thirdson in

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  i managed to find a piece i wrote last year and subsequently lost.

  thanks to the archiving efforts of a very good person i have managed to get it back.

  thinking about some posts here recently regarding the genesis account of the fall of man, i recalled a conversation with a friend a few years back.

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  I'm not going to pretend I am up on the scientific stuff, so I don't know if snakes had legs.

  But I will hazard a guess and say YES they had legs! You ask, how does Lisa, a non-scientist, know this?

  Because I can point to modern times where there are whole buildings full of snakes with legs. 117, 690, 25. All of these represent serpent filled buildings!

  Dammit I am having a bad day. Somebody medicate me!
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  Care to hazard a guess?

  by LDH in

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  man am i on a roll after talking to my cousin and reading stupid stuff by xandit..... why is the whole jw website ( http://www.watchtower.org ) sitting on a standard non-secure server, but if you want to ask them a question via e-mail, you are rolled to a secure site?.

  https://watch001.securesites.com/contact/submit.htm.

  i guess it doesn't matter anyway, because you have to give them all of your personal info, and then they won't answer you via email (even though it's on a secure server) but they will send someone to your door.. now why do they need to roll you to a secure server if you're not transmitting confidential info for them to act on?

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  Man am I on a roll after talking to my cousin and reading Stupid Stuff by Xandit....

  Why is the whole JW website ( http://www.watchtower.org ) sitting on a standard non-secure server, but if you want to ask them a question via e-mail, you are rolled to a secure site?

  https://watch001.securesites.com/contact/submit.htm

  I guess it doesn't matter anyway, because you have to give them all of your personal info, and then they won't ANSWER you via email (even though it's on a secure server) but they will send someone to your door.

  Now why do they need to roll you to a secure server if you're not transmitting confidential info for them to act on? If you want any info on any other religion, they don't have you fill out a secure questionnaire on a secure server.

  Wierd.
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  Guess what *I* just got called?

  by LDH in

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  talking to my cousin just now, she has been inactive for years.... she told me she just started going back to the meetings, hard!!!

  i asked her a one-word question--"why?".

  she immediately flipped out on me, and said because she doesn't want to be responsible for her children's death at armageddon (of course).

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  There is a God.

  My Robert Plant/Zeppelin double play that I requested yesterday just came on....
  Listen worldwide at http://www.957thefox.com/

  I'm in the mood for a melody, I'm in the mood, I'm in the mood....
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  Guess what *I* just got called?

  by LDH in

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  talking to my cousin just now, she has been inactive for years.... she told me she just started going back to the meetings, hard!!!

  i asked her a one-word question--"why?".

  she immediately flipped out on me, and said because she doesn't want to be responsible for her children's death at armageddon (of course).

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  Cousin says, "I think any one that make decisions without leaving room for change is out of touch, I cant answer your question about disfellowshipping, but I can try and find out" (I asked her why our relatives wouldn't speak to my bro/sis since the official position is that dfing doesn't sever family ties)

  I said:

  You are very right. I was such a hard nose and so positive I had 'the truth' that I spent years of my life telling people about, now to find out it has changed so much, actually hurts. You KNOW I am smart, I don't make decisions lightly.

  Do you remember when you were working for that perfume company? And I looked for info on the Web, how much negative things came out about it, how fraudulent they were? How mad you were? Almost immediately you were able to see that there was more to their story than they were telling you. But what if they told you NOT to look on the internet, that anyone that disagreed with what they were saying was a liar, and a sore loser because they couldn't do the job? I bet you anything they deny everything negative said about them on the Web, but you know and I know it was true.

  Now I'm not saying it's the same thing. As a matter of fact, it's WAY more important than perfume. I'm just saying you have a right to know EVERYTHING about our history so you can make INTELLIGENT decisions and not have to be hurt like I am hurting now.::

  (side note: I HAVE to appeal to her emotions, she is a very emotional woman. She doesn't want anymore hurt, having a history very similar to Waiting's....Therefore, I keep telling her how much I am *hurting* hoping she'll take a closer look....)
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  Guess what *I* just got called?

  by LDH in

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  2. friends

  talking to my cousin just now, she has been inactive for years.... she told me she just started going back to the meetings, hard!!!

  i asked her a one-word question--"why?".

  she immediately flipped out on me, and said because she doesn't want to be responsible for her children's death at armageddon (of course).

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  Thanks for all your good wishes.

  The funny thing is, I'm not trying to get anybody to stop being a JW. I just think you should be allowed to go into it with your eyes open.
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  Family dynamics and the Org.

  by LDH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have made a couple of remarks regarding family dynamics on other threads, but i thought it's be nice to start a new thread.... i'm no psychologist, but suffice it to say i see some similarities here.

  (please add to/comment on these thoughts).

  the organization wishes to be seen as our mother.

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  LDH

  Who wants Trident?
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  Guess what *I* just got called?

  by LDH in

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  talking to my cousin just now, she has been inactive for years.... she told me she just started going back to the meetings, hard!!!

  i asked her a one-word question--"why?".

  she immediately flipped out on me, and said because she doesn't want to be responsible for her children's death at armageddon (of course).

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  Email alert. Just received.

  :::I never said you were an apostate, what I said were you sound like an apostate. Regardless of what you say I believe what Jah’s organization says and if that is incorrect then only Jehovah will know in my case and yours:::
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  Guess what *I* just got called?

  by LDH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  talking to my cousin just now, she has been inactive for years.... she told me she just started going back to the meetings, hard!!!

  i asked her a one-word question--"why?".

  she immediately flipped out on me, and said because she doesn't want to be responsible for her children's death at armageddon (of course).

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  Talking to my cousin just now, she has been inactive for years...

  She told me she just started going back to the meetings, HARD!!! I asked her a one-word question--"Why?"

  She immediately flipped out on me, and said because she doesn't want to be responsible for her children's death at Armageddon (of course). She said "You are talking like an apostate!"

  I said to her, "You know, I am having a hard time ( [8>] ) with the ever changing teachings. Did you know it's now OK to vote?" After she denied it, I told her to check the Nov 1, 1999 QFR. Her response, was along the lines of "Light is getting brighter." I countered with "Jehovah's truth doesn't get truer. Man's interpretation changed." She continued with the 'Light getting brighter' crap until I said "Too bad the light wasn't bright for the brothers in Malawi and Mozambique."

  She said (GASP!) you have been looking at apostate websites! I said, NO I have been looking at the JW website! She said, "They DON'T even HAVE a website!!!! It's apostate!!! You are talking against Jehovah!"

  When I asked her what I had said against Jehovah, she replied "Jehovah's Organization IS Jehovah!" and told me she had to go, she doesn't even want to talk to me now.

  SIGH. The brainwashing is powerful. Apparently the message she is getting is, the internet is Satan's Toolbox. SIGH.