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  How many people did you bring into the borg?

  by jam in

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  do not count family members.

  how long did it.

  take to bring in each sheep, are they still in?.

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  stillstuckcruz

  None thankfully. aUxilary pioneered once and earnestly tried to reach people. Went nowhere.

  I only had a bible study once. He moved away without a word. Hopefully thats a good thing....
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  Baptism

  by new one in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just wanted to ask a question as regards jw baptism.

  i already know that just before the actual baptism the soon to be jw has to answer 2 questions, but what i'd like to know is this: during the actual baptism do the jw's stick to matt 28:19 "baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit" ?.

  thanks in advance for any help.. i'd also like to know if it would be possible to speak privatly with one of the more experianced members.

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  stillstuckcruz

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/baptism.php

  There's MANY other things that will bother you through some research. :)
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  BEARDS: Why JW men don't have them

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this has been dished over before, but when i was doing some research i discovered a couple of interesting points.

  as far as i can find, there is only one wt article that implies that jw men should not have beards.

  *** w75 8/15 pp.

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  What I find hilarious and ironic is when my mom talks about Disney and their beards. When asked why they changed the policy, she scoffed and said "they finally caught up with 2012. Come on!" I had to laugh at the ironic statement by my die-hard JW mother.
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  I am speechless over the latest tactic to get people to Pioneer!

  by iclone in

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  stillstuckcruz

  To be fair, the WT last year in one of the KMs stated that they're not trying to pressure people and that people shouldn't view their encouragement within the literature as such, but rather view it as people cheering from the sidelines.

  ^And that, I believe is where the real pressure starts. The literature , although printed and written by men, is guided by God's Holy Spirit(at least that is what most believe anyway). And so, who do they really believe is doing the "cheering"? Man or God? "GOD is cheering you on!""He wants you to do the best in His service"

  I believe that's where the real pressure starts....
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  Who were the anointed between 100 and 1879 AD?

  by blondie in

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  who were the anointed between 100 and 1879 ad?

  *** kingdom approached chap.

  17 p. 344 par.

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  Great quotes as alway Blondie!!!

  A couple of years ago(maybe last year) at a District Convention, there was a talk given called "Questions About The Kingdom Answered".

  I took detailed notes on this talk for reference purposes. Here were a few points:

  Were there always annointed ones throughout histroy?

  ---------Yes. Jesus said "all the days until the end of this system..."----Matthew 13:30-"...collect the weeds...""Let both grow together until the harvest". ----------->During 1700's- William Winston rejected the Trinity teaching. Anointed? unknown. There were always anointed ones on Earth since Jesus time.

  Psalms 87:5,6-"Jehovah will record the peoples"[Basically so we don't have to bother explaing away why we can't explain it...]

  --------Does having the names of anointed ones have practical value?-------Brothers should not be judged for professing to have a heavenly calling

  ___________________There were some other points mentioned in the talk that I wish I had taken down now. Crazy teachings. But most won't bat an eye or even be concerned with it. "We can't figure out who those 'anointed' ones were and there's really no need to know." Basically "the organization tells us so....and so it is". THEY HAVE SPOKEN!!!!
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  BEARDS: Why JW men don't have them

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this has been dished over before, but when i was doing some research i discovered a couple of interesting points.

  as far as i can find, there is only one wt article that implies that jw men should not have beards.

  *** w75 8/15 pp.

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  stillstuckcruz

  Based on those articles, I keep imagining people like this:

  If they have a beard like the one below, I seriously doubt that in this day and age, people would be so repulsed by a person that they refuse to listen or acknowlege them. ...or that they are in some way "undignified".

  

  COME ON PEOPLE! You know it's bad when even Disney allows neat beards!!!!
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  Something interesting

  by d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was looking into two bibles by the jw's.

  one was written in 1909 which was called the the holy bible american standard version.

  the other obviously the new world translation.

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  stillstuckcruz

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php
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  Ridiculous reasons that "this MUST be the truth"!!!

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....i've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation.

  i've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this must be the truth"!.

  for instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection.

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  stillstuckcruz

  I also noticed that any new development indicated "truthfulness"

  New arrangement for the bkstudy=God is making things easier....end must be near!

  Public and private WT's and Awakes= God is simplifying the work....end must be near!(same for the simplified versions)

  30 hour requirement for aux pioneering= Same as above

  Changed teaching(toes on statue)= light advancing....must be the truth!
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  Ridiculous reasons that "this MUST be the truth"!!!

  by stillstuckcruz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....i've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation.

  i've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this must be the truth"!.

  for instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection.

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  stillstuckcruz

  Its incredible what you go back to when theres no other defence. Can't refute 607 or flip flops? Well "WHO ELSE PREACHES AROUND THE WORLD????" I think that was the most common fallback. Other fallbacks were

  -nor war

  -no pagan holidays or celebrations

  -"love" in the congregation". (HAHA!)

  *** w76 4/1 p. 216 par. 9 True Worship—A Successful Way of Life ***
  9 In contrast, the Bible’s record of the confident, purposeful lives of God’s servants in the past, as well as the lives of those who practice the truth today, proves that true worship is the only really successful way of life. Obedience to God’s commandments has always set true worshipers apart from their contemporaries. As we considered in the previous article, ancient Israel stood out as superior in its time, so long as it stuck faithfully to “the framework of the knowledge and of the truth in the Law” given through Moses.
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  New here...need some support

  by Freeof1914 in

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  first of all i am happy to be here..this site has been an invaluable tool which helped me get to the point where i am today.

  i was born and raised as a jehovah's witness and i am now 30 yrs old.

  my entire family are die hard witnesses; pioneers, elders, bethel etc.

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  stillstuckcruz

  WELCOME! Love to see all the new people lurking and joining the site here. I'm sure you noticed this thread:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/222111/1/A-e2809cBorn-inse2809d-challenge-to-develop-a-post-cult-personality

  Very good thread. One of the things that bothers me is that even if you discuss your major doubts with your closest of family/friends....even if they can't refute ANY of it, they will not even consider it. I made the mistake of speaking to my brother about it too early, before I had the chance to REALLY develop a method(I could wipe the floor with him now...a little late though). I believe I pushed him even closer to it. I asked him if he knew what the "generation teaching" was. He didn't even know what that was, let alone all of the flip-flops related to it. He didn't even consider the possibilities and pushed him closer to something he barely knew about. My point is that no matter how much logic you present, if your family is as die-hard as you say, there not much you can do. Either you tell it all and be inevitably shunned....or stick with it at the expense of your genuine self. Here's my story if you are interested:

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11416

  Wish you the best!!! We've all been there in one way or another :)