I am a little late reporting how things went because I was away on my second week of vacation...a 4500 km motorcycle ride with a friend. My wife's relatives came and stayed with us for a week. They had not seen us for a few years so we heard the usual comments on how we haven't changed much except for my one week old beard. Then there was the catching up on the latest news and plans for the next few days. Every thing went well and the girls went out grocery shopping. As they were going out the door my wife's brother asked about the DC and I told him I didn't go because I stopped attending meetings 2 years ago...My wife made the comment to leave it alone, but as soon as she left the guys were curious about why I am inactive, especially since I was probably the most zealous JW in their family. I just told them that while researching various subjects for public talks I found out that the WTS was badly misquoting secular sources to make them say the opposite of what they actually mean. I said that if it was only once or twice I could see it as a mistake, but in their case it is almost always. I told them a few from the "reasoning book" where they misquote the Catholic encyclopedia in regards to the trinity...the made up statistics to support an increase in earthquakes since 1914. That lead to an interesting comments from my BIL...I asked him how could the WTS know how many earthquakes there were from JC until 1914 if no records exist? Better yet, how could anyone know how many earthquakes they were before in the Americas before they were discovered? He replied that there are more earthquakes since 1914 to which I replied that expert say there is no increase at all...even the WTS agreed with this in a recent magazine by saying that JC never said they would be more occurances...his comeback was that today we "hear" more about earthquakes than ever before because of our modern ways to communicate and that was what JC meant. At that point I realized that whatever the WTS taught before didn't matter to him even if it was all lies or bullcrap...now this is what they teach and it's the truth. I told them that deciding factor for me was when they "explained" the new meaning of generation at the 2010 DC...which is the 6th change to this teaching. JC did know how long a generation was because the destruction of Jerusalem came some 40 years after he said those words. Deer in the headlight looks from both cousin and BIL was the only reaction. I told them that all the old folks that were sitting at ice level in the arena that gave up having a career, raising kids, saving for their old days, never buying a home because the end was near would be dying off while we are slowing replacing them...Imagine what it would be like if I had listened. I wouldn't have grand children that I live for today! I mentionned 607...not a clue that historians do not support this date...BIL said that 1914 is the proof...I said 1914 was a world war as 1939. I also told them that our great WTS "scholars" didn't know there was no year 0 when they calculated the years leadind to JC kingdom...so when they found out they just pushed the date of the destruction of Jerusalem from 606 to 607...how convenient! I closed by telling them that in 1919 when JC chose them as his people they believed the time of the end started in 1799, that JC became king in 1874, that the end was going to be in 1914, then postponed to 1925 and that they even built a house for the princes that would be resurected...Beth-Sarim...they didn't know about that and I told them to do research on the WT CD...they celebrated Christmas, birthdays, used the cross....still how could JC approve them when today anyone holding these beliefs would be labelled apostate? Finally the blood issue came up since BIL had major heart surgery...he does not agree with accepting fractions...so I asked then why would the WTS make these concessions if it is wrong to collect blood or accept fractions? They could only repeat what they read in the WT publications...how bloodless surgery is so great...that there is the resurrection if you die...by that time the wifes were coming back so that was the end of our discussion. My BIL asked if they still could pray at the table before meals and I said it was OK, but they did it only once...and that was it. The rest of the visit was pleasant and it seemed like nothing at all was said. We will see in time if they avoid me in the future.
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11My wife's JW brother/wife and cousin/husband are coming for a visit....
by NVR2L8 init's been 2 years since my last meeting and i have been avoiding all contacts with jws to stay under the radar.
i've had my brother, sister and mom visit from back home 300 miles away and except for my mom i told the others why i stopped believing in the wt's teachings.
they told me that i should do what makes me happy and that nothing would change between us...we will see.
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1947 Awake Says Excommunication is Unbiblical and Pagan!
by Ding injanuary 8, 1947 awake!:.
excommunication is "altogether foreign to biblical teachings.".
it's an unbiblical roman catholic teaching by which "you are looked upon with the blackest contempt... being cursed and damned with the devil and his angels.".
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses know what happened to them in 1954?
by Terry in1954: the year jehovah's witnesses stopped worshiping jesus christ.
watchtower charter: http://www.jehovah.net.au/books/1945_cha..._wtbts.pdf.
did you know that from 1879 until 1954 the writings of c.t.russell, j.f.rutherford, nathan knorr and the watchtower's own charter all agreed that jesus christ was worthy of worship?.
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Do You Like or Dislike Algebra? Why and Why not?
by Scott77 injuly 28, 2012is algebra necessary?by andrew hacker .
a typical american school day finds some six million high school students and two million college freshmen struggling with algebra.
in both high school and college, all too many students are expected to fail.
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I love Algebra!I was sent from a French grade school to an English high school so since I didn't speak much English so I sucked in literature and grammar...but I was great with numbers!
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses feed the starving in third world countries
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or do they only help their own members ?.
is there anything in their publications that seems to cast a negative view on feeding the poor ?.
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Wasblind, I wasn't calling you out...I just remembered that this privious thread shows the true WT view on helping to poor and needy. The scripture in Matthew talks about physical needs not spiritual...and each true Christian is reponsible for helping the needy.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses feed the starving in third world countries
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or do they only help their own members ?.
is there anything in their publications that seems to cast a negative view on feeding the poor ?.
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My brother visited the branch in Benin and during his visit a child needed hospital treatment for a life-threatening desease that already killed a sibbling. The parents couldn't afford the treatment and the child was going to die. My brother asked the brothers at bethel what could they do to help and the reponse was that it was up to him to help...that if the WT didn't have the funds to help those who are sick...all that was needed was $500 and my brother paid it to save the child's life. The sad part is that this experience has not rattled my brother's faith in the WT.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses feed the starving in third world countries
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or do they only help their own members ?.
is there anything in their publications that seems to cast a negative view on feeding the poor ?.
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The following link explains the WT's view on charity. They would rather collect funds to buy and renovate buildings or acquire land to built buildings they can eventually sell for a profit. It's like multi-level-marketing where the product is only an excuse to attract members to join your scheme...
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Day's almost done for me. Went out for breakfast (while wife was at the meeting) read my newpaper. Road my motorcyle and went out for lunch while my wife was watching a movie with the grand kids. Stopped at a friend's house (the only JW that stayed in touch with me) to plan next week's motorcycle trip to the Canadian east coast. After diner I am watch Big Brother with my wife who is the fan.
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Have you ever heard a talk on child molestation following a judicial reproof?
by NVR2L8 inwhen someone is reprimanded by a judicial commitee there is usually a talk given to the congregation about issues that leads to serious sins.
sometimes that talk takes you by surprise because the reproof was private and no announcement was made to the congregation.
other times you figure out why an individual was the object of a judicial commitee...i heard talks on the usage of drugs, cigarettes, pornography, bad forms of intertainment, fornication, adultery, fraud, gambling, disapproved medical treatments...but never on child abusers and mostly how to protect your children against this terrible crime.. do you think the reason there is never mention of child abuse is that if many knew there is a child molester in their midst they would pressure the elders to go to the autorities?
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"Delicate" subjects have been discussed publicly in the presence of young children such as oral sex, perverted sex practices, masturbation or abstinence certain days during the menstrual cycle...so there is no excuse for not warning children against molestation. Instead wasting resources making a totally useless Sparlock video they could spend their energy helping kids recognize when "uncle Bill" affection is actually molestation.
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Who On This Site Would You Like To Meet?
by minimus inthere are a lot of interesting people that frequent this site.. sometimes, we get an idea of what the posters are really like in "real life".
and i'm sure i could be easily surprised by some that you think might be strong personalities because of their board presence, and in reality, they might be shy in a face to face setting.. i would enjoy meeting simon.
simon used to be terribly annoyed by my posting and now i think he's accepted with tolerance my being here.. farkel seems like a grouchy cantankerous fellow but i think he'd be very interesting company!.
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Awakened at Gilead because his videos really hit home and On The Way Out because he is in a similar situation as I am. Oompa...to discuss motorcycles. The Anderson's because I realise how dedicated and loving they are. Ynot for the courage it took to publish internal documents. Cedars and now Mrs. Cedars for keeping on top of things and sharing with us.