I so love Dilbert cartoons - this one could be likened to attending a WT Convention or even the WT Study. "Good meeting, wasn't it" - The most common comment one hears. Then if you happen to ask what they especially liked - "Duh...........I'll have to look at my notes." And then heaven forbid should you request to have a glance at their notes - "A, well - think my pen ran out of ink there" - Conclusion will always be "We'll do this again, next Sunday - looking forward to more encouragement, Yaaawn! - Anybody going out for dinner right now? Can I join you?" End of "Inspiration! or Encouragement! or whatever it was supposed to be!"
saltyoldlady
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Wasting Time
by minimus ini can't believe all the time invested in johnny the bethelite and the six screens nonsense.
it's seriously giving way too much attention to drivel..
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The trouble with Christianity. TRINITY.
by whereami ingotta love pat.. "ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity.
it is the mere abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of jesus.
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saltyoldlady
Godrulz - back when you were talking about that passage in John 10:31 thru 36 as supporting your contention Jesus was equal to Jehovah which I gather is your definition of "deity" I read that passage with a very different comprehension of the material than you glean -
Here is my take on it - will quote and intersperse commentary both - Verse 31 reads "Once more the Jews lifted up stones to stone him. Jesus replied to them "I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?" The Jews answered him "We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy, even because you, although being a man, make yourself God." (The Jews were correct in the view that if he claimed himself to be God - the great Almighty Creator - that would indeed qualify for blasphemy, one good reason to me that this is not what Jesus was claming. Now please observe his answer carefully.)
Starting in Verse 34 - Jesus answered them "Is it not written in your Law, I said (the "I" there is referring to Jehovah's dialogue with them) You are gods?" If He called gods those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scriptures cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said I am God's Son. (There are two points I glean from this dialogue - one what he actually said was, he was God's Son, not God the Almighty Creator, and two - that men can and were referred to as gods without this idea of equality in stature, rank, deity, or whatever being attributed to them.)
Today while reading 1 Timothy Chapter 3:14 thru 16 I couldn't help but think about you - and reflect I bet you use this passage to support this idea of "deity" that you hold about Christ. Normally Paul is very, very careful to always refer to Jehovah as the Father or God, and Jesus as Lord. But this time he actually calls Jesus God it seems to me. And I believe that would be in the sense that is revealed in Isaiah 9 where we are told Jesus would be called Mighty God (which of course is different than Almighty God).
So to quote 1 Timothy here - starting with verse 14 I am writing you these things, though I am hoping to come to you shortly, but in case I am delayed, that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in God's household, which is the congregation of the living God, a pillar and support of the truth. Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. He (meaning the Christ) was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory. (So to me this passage says we give "godly" devotion to Christ - he does indeed get the title God at times - but it is in a very different sense than the Almighty Creator that caused the Word to first come into existence.
For some reason it seems to me you think when the scriptures say Christ was created (which they actually do in two different places - Colossians 1:15 and Rev 3:14) that it "demeans" Christ, and his power and authority. I don't perceive that at all - Jehovah gives him all power and authority for a specific purpose - to reconcile mankind - and He has no fear of Christ usurping it. He knows Christ will hand it back as I Cor 15:28 tells us that Jehovah God may be all things to everyone. And the same thought is expressed in John 16:15 states - All the things the Father has are mine (and vice versa of course) - this portrays to us the love and trust between these two - they are as one in thought and purpose just as we wish to be with the Christ. I don't find it necessary for Christ to be "uncreated Almighty Deity" in order to perform the task at all. Is this the gist of your problem - that you fear if he is not The Deity, he will not succeed in the reconciliation for mankind?
I am trying hard to understand you and be fair with you. Will you also make the same effort yourself with me?
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Charles Russell's Last Days
by lovelylil inthis link contains a play by play of russell's last days including why and how he was found dead in a toga made from sheets.
thought some may find it interesting.. http://www.gtft.org/biblestudents/pastorrussellslastdays.html.
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saltyoldlady
Interesting that someone else picked up the same messages I saw in the text - the almost "erotic" tone in the narrative. Ugly thought. But on the other hand my first marriage turned out to be to a guy who was "bisexual." I divorced him, needless to say. But nevertheless the experience now causes me to pick up on these tendencies in people. And then when I watched the video's of his talks that have been preserved it gave me a "very uncomfortable" feeling. And then when I read the transcript of his divorce - it came out he and his wife "never had had sex." Hmm - very very strange behavior, I'd say. At the same time there were inuendo's that he showed affectionate behavior to another young female in the home - supposedly a daughter father type relationship. She used to sit on his knee. Turned out her age was 25. Hmm again! If I were Maria I wouldn't have been a bit happy about the situation either. But there is something about this character that is just not right. Not saying he ever committed any wrongful acts per se but he gave off vibes I just don't feel good about.
That aside there are many good points one can find about him also. No human being is ALL good or ALL ugly. So I try to keep looking for the positive but sometimes the negative overpowers - it did in this account for me.
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Charles Russell's Last Days
by lovelylil inthis link contains a play by play of russell's last days including why and how he was found dead in a toga made from sheets.
thought some may find it interesting.. http://www.gtft.org/biblestudents/pastorrussellslastdays.html.
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saltyoldlady
I read this myself a couple years ago when attending a Bible Student's group. It had a nauseating effect on me - the man was a dramatist down to the last moment of his life. They didn't see it in the same light as myself at all so kept my mouth pretty much shut about the matter.
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An explanation for the increase in anointed
by pirata inremember, if you see this in the watchtower, or hear it in a talk, you heard it here first .
evidently, since we are so close to end of this system of things, god has seen it fitting to fill the final spots held open for the 144,000.. there.
simple, elegant, and doesn't require an overhaul of the 144,000 jw belief..
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saltyoldlady
Do you guys really believe the numbers they are reporting are "legit?" I have great trouble swallowing that one since there was almost always another anointed one in every Kingdom Hall I knew about and in one with a total of only 60 some publishers there were 5 or 6 of us. To even have a couple anointed ones was not unusual in this area. One time some of us contemplated having a barbeque for all of us - a party just to get acquainted with one another - and we had a list of 45 or so to invite within easy traveling distance - then we thought better of it. Didn't want to cause problems or raised eyebrows. Still wish we had had the party. But this list of names was collected from just four of us that used to pal around together - and imagine how it might have grown as each one we contacted suggested someone else they knew!
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This may be the week I blow my stack
by Sargeant Pepper ini don't say much, but this could be the week!.
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saltyoldlady
I am so very grateful to the ones who DID speak with you - Human kindness never hurt anyone! And I'm longing that you experience some form of comfort during this tragic event. Death is indeed an enemy of us all!
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Memories at Herman's Hotel
by Dogpatch insorry about the double post, it wouldn't let me back in to put in the title.
memories at herman's hotel.
sunday, 24 april 2011 22:49this last weekend i had to cut my work and storage space down due to the landlord wanting some of it back (right!
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saltyoldlady
I did and I enjoyed it - wish you weren't having to live in such a small space. But your sacrifices for an important cause are much appreciated also!
What you have done has meant everything to ever so many of us.
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How (not) to destroy a thread and turn it into a battleground
by Terry inwe are adults here and don't want jwn to reflect a hostile enviornment for lurkers who may.
wish to learn about the watchtower.
many first timers might be very curious to discover whether.
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saltyoldlady
Ooooh - that mutt HAS TEETH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good bye to all
by TotallyADD inin just a few days reopened mind and me will be taking that big trek up to the north country.
we have hit very few road blocks in the last months getting ready for our move.
we will not be able to get high speed internet were we are moving to.
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saltyoldlady
The best of blessings to you on that long trek - and take special care of that 22 yr old putty kat for me! I am worried about him. Salty.
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An explanation for the increase in anointed
by pirata inremember, if you see this in the watchtower, or hear it in a talk, you heard it here first .
evidently, since we are so close to end of this system of things, god has seen it fitting to fill the final spots held open for the 144,000.. there.
simple, elegant, and doesn't require an overhaul of the 144,000 jw belief..
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saltyoldlady
Watch out - Pirata! With that kind of brilliance you might get "drafted" to the GB.