1st evidence: the release of loyal jews from exile, made possible by the fall of babylon, foreshadowed the release in 1919 of anointed christians from spiritual exile.
2nd evidence: that year marked the beginning of the period when the anointed remnants were released from a form of spiritual captivity to the ideas and practices of false religion.
although having rejected such false teachings as the trinity and the immortal soul, they were still tainted by babylonish practices.
Mankeli cannot count. Rutherford + 7 associates = 8 people is not the same amount as 2 (two) witnesses.
If Mankelli had some primary school education he would realize the numbers are not correct.
please read before you do a copy - paste job.
Hoffnung
1st evidence: the release of loyal jews from exile, made possible by the fall of babylon, foreshadowed the release in 1919 of anointed christians from spiritual exile.
2nd evidence: that year marked the beginning of the period when the anointed remnants were released from a form of spiritual captivity to the ideas and practices of false religion.
although having rejected such false teachings as the trinity and the immortal soul, they were still tainted by babylonish practices.
The 1st world war cannot be used as an argument to support the 1914 prophecy, for the simple fact that it started too early. The 2520 years ended in october/november 1914, whereas the war had already begun in June. Satan and his hordes were only thrown out of heaven AFTER the start of the kingdom (autumn 1914).
About the socalled good attitude of the Bible students back in the day, it is good to remember that Russel sold "miracle wheat" for an enormous price. Furthermore the colpolters of the day were there to "sell" the volumes of studies in the scriptures, even if the very same volume with a different name was already in the household. If JW of today would hold on to the attitude and teachings of 1919, they would be disfellowshipped.
Examining the details of what the society published just before and after 1919, proves there was no selection at all going on. Actually this was proven by the fact that 10 years later, the Bible students under Rutherford had halved in number. If there would be some kind of blessing by Holy Spirit, you would expect an opposite result.
Hoffnung
this was taken from the 1999 wt, 7/15.. .
when paul warned of experiencing shipwreck, he had in mind some who had thrust aside their good conscience and had lost their faith.
(1 timothy 1:19) among them were hymenaeus and alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively.
I am quite happy to have left the sinking ship "Watchtower Bible & Tract Society" also known as "Chistian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses", because just as the Titanic in 1912, it has hit rocks or icebergs (one iceberg is called : the love of many JW has cooled down below freezing point) and has holes all over under the wareline, and it is sinking fast. I cannot in good faith and conscience remain connected to it. The moral values it is practicing is too low, definitely compared to what it is boasting about. In order to keep a good conscience in the face of God Almighty, I jumped in a rescue vessel and I feel sincerely sorry for all those still aboard. Many had good faith in the Titanic, as do many in the Society. That faith is not going to save them, just as it did not save any 99 years ago. Nor is any of the socalled great worldwide witnesses works going to save them either. Remaining in the borg is a clear course to spiritual shipwreck.
Hoffnung
okay, i don't mean to rant but i am not sure where to turn.
the issues that i am having with my wife are not related to her being a jw but it does make me think of other situations where the religion is credited for the jw spouse's exceptional behavior (even when it has nothing to do with the religion).. my wife has her heart set on going to disney this year, but she has no real plan on saving the money to go.
in addition to this, she needs have some money to replace her lost income over the summer when she takes her internship to get her teacher's license.
It took some time and effort to get the message through (it took more than one discussion, some heated arguments were involved, but any way, I guess they are already there in your house). But yes, it did help. The illustration of Jesus about calculating the cost before building the tower might help (I kid you not).
Hoffnung
okay, i don't mean to rant but i am not sure where to turn.
the issues that i am having with my wife are not related to her being a jw but it does make me think of other situations where the religion is credited for the jw spouse's exceptional behavior (even when it has nothing to do with the religion).. my wife has her heart set on going to disney this year, but she has no real plan on saving the money to go.
in addition to this, she needs have some money to replace her lost income over the summer when she takes her internship to get her teacher's license.
Hello Gary,
Sorry to read about this kind of unnecessary stress for you. Actually financial problems (including differences about how to go about money) are one of the major reasons marriages break up (sex is the other one). If your spouse is behaving irresponsible with the money, she needs a realistic view of the matter. I made an excel with graphics to show our financial history to my wife, and where we would be if the situation (spending behaviour) would not change. I explained her I could not afford to support the continuous expenses, and I felt bad and failing as a husband and that even doing a lot of overtime hours could not close the gap. I requested her reduce the expectations on life, and if she wanted something extra, to put money aside herself on beforehand. If nothing helps, asking the bank to drastically limit the credit card limit, or even split the legal responsability by means of a marriage contract, if that is possible. I hope one of these suggestions helps.
Hoffnung
...and keep him very close, buy him some presents, take him out for supper and maybe even give him money.
that way you are a little bit assured of not getting punished or of getting a very lenient outcome if you happen to find yourself on jc..
No need for that. It could be contraproductive. If you don't have enemies in the BOE, there is no reason to put yourself on their radar screen. Fading is avoiding attention, not avoiding problems with the elders. If you are giving presents to an elder or somebody else in the congo, at one point you will have to stop doing so. This will unavoidable draw the attention, and can endanger the process of fading. I am afraid I cannot second your advice.
Hoffnung
have anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?
its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .
if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?
For comparison:
The Italian & French translation literally translated the English "hit me" into their equivalent in the language. "m'avait frappé (has hit me)" & "mi aveva messo le mani addasso (put the hand on me = hit me)"
The German and Dutch versions, toned it down to "flipped out - (fuchsteufelswild)" and "got agressif".
At least some translators have some thoughtfulness, as both languages also allow for a more literal translation, but they choose not to use it. I definitely find this very disturbing, taking in account that the situation potentially existed for more than 15 years, and blaming the victim for it. Against all sound advice.
Hoffnung
i just attended a "reducing your stress" training, sponsored by my company, and training staff used the methods of "thework", founded by kathie byron.
in order to reduce your stress, you have to inquire yourself and put everyting you believe in, in doubt.
by the end of the 2 day work shop, i have all my "cult" warning lights on.
Great advice. My gut feeling says, it is usefull up to a point. And that is as far as I want to go with it. It is too promising without being clear about how the promise will be fulfilled. And that is way too familiar to be trustworthy. I very much understand that the making oneself conscious about the power you have yourself over your own interpretations, thoughts, feelings and believes, helps you to let go of the grip that the society has on you. But that is also where the end point of the usefulness of the techniques is reached.
Hoffnung
you read that right.
just finished talking to steve a half hour ago.. november 19 at 10pm est, steve hassan's interview will air on cult free radio on ustream.
i will also have a co-host that evening to discuss bite mind control and steve's interview.. https://www.facebook.com/cultfreeradio.
Can you ask him about TheWork.com & Kathie Byron and the techniques they use?
Hoffnung
i just attended a "reducing your stress" training, sponsored by my company, and training staff used the methods of "thework", founded by kathie byron.
in order to reduce your stress, you have to inquire yourself and put everyting you believe in, in doubt.
by the end of the 2 day work shop, i have all my "cult" warning lights on.
Hello Dagney,
Thank you for replying. I feel most of the stuff is quite usefull, untill the "turn-around". It felt like I had to put EVERYTHING into question. Since waking up from the Society's doctrine, I do not want to become that much unhinged, and risking to become a victim of some strong minded other person. Many techniques felt too confusing to be helpful. But that is just my experience & perception.
Hoffnung
