What they need is a young Fred Franz. Someone new, someone smart. Someone capable of spinning new doctrinal webs. Then perhaps there is a way of saying, "607 is wrong, and so is 1914, but in reality, we were right all along"...
MeanMrMustard
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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MeanMrMustard
70 years in Babylon.
70 years for Babylon.
God was punishing Judah for their sins same as he punished the northern kingdom. The prophets were sent to Judah with the message and restoration prophecies not to the uncircumcised nation although affected, Jerusalem was the target. I find no other way to interpret the scriptures than Judah spent 70 years in Babylon for idolatry and so the land could rest to pay back its Sabbaths. Archeology will vindicate 607.
Just read it grammatically. Just because Jerimiah was speaking to the Jews doesn't change the meaning of words.
Babylon was going to reign for a while. Judah was going to "serve" the king of Babylon, along with the other nations round about, for 70 years. It was highly encouraged that Judah accept this servitude. They didn't. So it got worse, in 587, a couple decades into the "servitude", with the final deportation and destruction of Jerusalem. The captives went off into exile to "fulfill" (Chronicles and Daniel) or complete the rest of the time.
Then as v12 says, when the 70 years ended, Babylon was punished/removed from power. But the order in v12 matters.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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MeanMrMustard
Exactly. Not just the King but the nation and its land became a desolate wasteland which clearly did not happen in 539 BCE with its immediate fall under Cyrus.
You just said "exactly" to my statement, and then affirmed the exact opposite. Just read v12 grammatically. The 70 years ends, and then the king of Babylon is brought to account, and then sometime after its made a desolate wasteland... on and on... That doesn't change the order.
JW version of the history of the period harmonizes well with Jeremiah's prophecy as later confirmed by Daniel, Zechariah and Ezra. Thus as you say, the 70 years of Exile or Captivity to or for Babylon ended in 537 BCE with the Return under Cyrus.
No, it explicitly contradicts a plain grammatical reading of the original prophecy in Jerimiah.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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MeanMrMustard
Nonsense. for the texts of Jeremiah are exp[licit in describing the 70 years as a period of servitude to Babylon, and Exile in Babylon leaving a vacant land of Judah desolate for 70 years.
scholar JW
Double nonsense. You're just repeating an assertion without addressing arguments.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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MeanMrMustard
And in addition to Jeffro's post :),
Jerimiah 25:12 makes it clear the order of events. First, the 70 years of servitude would end; then the king of Babylon would be punished.
JW version is Neb is punished, Cyrus takes over, releases the Jews, then they travel back, arrive back home, start to rebuild and then the 70 years ends.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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MeanMrMustard
Jeremiah also foretold additionally, that the 70 years was of servitude it was also a period of Exile of 70 years during which Judah was desolated for 70 years.
Pure fabrication. It's not in Jeremiah anywhere. The servitude applied to Judah and "all the nations round about". Plural. Nations. The region.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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MeanMrMustard
....the fact of the Jewish Exile of 70 years...
Except Jeremiah says its 70 years of servitude for the region.
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Serena Williams allegedly baptized this weekend
by neat blue dog in.
not sure if this is fake news or not..
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MeanMrMustard
Pffffft... ha ha ha ha.
Well, she just borked herself. Oh well...
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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MeanMrMustard
Long live the thread documenting Lloyd Evan's hiring of prostitutes in Thailand during the Christmas season.
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Andrew Tate on the news
by slimboyfat ini hadn’t heard of this guy, andrew tate, until a few days ago, when he was mentioned on novara media (which is practically the only news i watch).
then i saw a clip with him where he explained why he moved to romania: he said he ‘likes romania because the police are corrupt and you can pay them off’.
(practically a direct quote) i thought to myself at the time that sounded a bit complacent!
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MeanMrMustard
Tate seems like another Jack Murphy.
But, as for his arrest, I withhold judgment and wait for more info.